Vulnerability time again.

So, in the bucket of "semi-innocuous things that can fuck you up for life", I cried this morning after waking from a stupid anxiety dream.

Why? Well strap in...

All my life people have told me I'm attractive (boo-hoo, right?). Which also means, all my life I've had people tell me I'm vain, or shallow, or that I'm using my looks manipulatively. People have also informed me that looks don't last, and that I'd "better have a plan B"ยน for when they inevitably fade.

ยน not that kind of plan B ๐Ÿ˜‘

And, with brains being the lovely little pattern-seeking machines they are, mine condensed this down to "People like/hate you for your looks. If you're not pretty enough, you're worthless; if you're too pretty you're a bad person".

I've written before about my ex-spouse who told me, in a crowded cafe, "people only listen to you because you're fuckable" (this was in response to telling them that two psychologists had favorably reviewed my paper on autism self-diagnostic criteria)

I've also written about how I never really found myself attractive until just recently (thanks therapy, healthy relationships, and Fedi). I recognized that other folx didโ€”or at least said they did, butโ€”with my lifelong history of abuseโ€”I didn't see it. I think it took, at least in part, having a healthy, loving, asexual partner for me to start liking myself in new ways. And, as she said after I told her about the dream this morning, "if I'm using you for your body, I'm doing a really bad job of it" ๐Ÿ˜‹

So what was the dream? It was a pretty basic theater anxiety dream.

I was in a play (playing the male lead, I think), and I'd spent the morning doing my costume and makeup for the part. Someone ran by and let me know I was on in 7 minutes. It was then I realized no one had given me a script, and I didn't know anything about my lines or the play. A perfectly reasonable panic attack ensued, and then I woke up.

Now, I don't usually read into dreams; dreams are my brain's equivalent of DOS6 running defrag. But this one was pretty on the nose.

I had spent all my time trying to look the role, and had completely failed to do the part that matters...and now it was too lateโ€”I was the pretty one with no substance.

#Beauty #Dreams #Therapy #MentalHealth #Anxiety #Abuse

in reply to Au Ti Va Volade

@autisticplushy Same, especially when papers are generally reviewed by people who have no fucking clue of what you look like. (Ideally, double blind review means they don't even know your name, and reciprocally, but apparently that was not the case for your paper).

Also, I had no clue you had some academic papers. Did you get a PhD out of that ?

And sending hugs !

in reply to Dr. Sobek

@Sobex my job (when I have one) is as an executive (CDO, Head of Data/Data Science), but my skillset is in predicting human behavior (typically at scale).

I originally went to college to become a criminal profiler for the FBI, then changed to computer science, because fuck the establishment (and I could make money right out of college, instead of needing advanced degrees and security clearances).

@autisticplushy

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

Mmmโ€ฆ you are attractive, itโ€™s not about your looks, yes while those are good you have plenty of other skills, Iโ€™m not going to mention what they are ๐Ÿฅฐ. Besides itโ€™s your personality and compassion, kindness and how you rock life. Thereโ€™s very few people I would trust my life with. You are one of them.
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I donโ€™t meet many people who have such a strong personal ethos and practice what they preach.

None of us are perfect. We are all a work in progres.
I know for me personally;
The world is by far and Fedi are a much better place with you in it. Haters going to hate.

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

oof. being Conventionally Attractive must be like being the Gifted Kid. you have "so much potential" to live up to some generic-ass mainstream expectations!

but nobody ever tells you how to live up to those expectations (god damn what a perfect metaphor in that dream) and living up to your own desires is never considered an option.

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๐Ÿซ‚

You are appreciated,
You are seen,
You are worthy of love,
You are kind,
You are funny,
You are smart,
You share your knowledge and quips freely,
You give so much of yourself,
You have created and foster a community - a home for many that may not have one otherwise,
You are this and so, so much more

You are loved for who you are without any kind of toll requirement to be met. It is your heart and mind that did all these and so much more :blobheart:

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

a lot of is apparently had anxiety dreams overnight.

Mine woke up into an Anxiery attack.

I posted about it here.

On my walk the meaning of the dream became obvious.

The last of the anxiety dissolved away.

Youโ€™ll be ok if you arenโ€™t already.

Wondering why though so many of us had these dreams overnight

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

This is, of course, not a fishing for support or compliments sort of post. I wanted to share so that folx have a little window into how our society forces unrealistic expectations on all of us in different ways. E.g. when everything is a competition, everyone loses most of the time.
in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

Thank you for sharing this. Gonna sit with and reflect on it.

Edit: Yeah, wow. Considering more of how society hits us each individually is a lot. Those insidious little ways we get poked at and worn down to be more easily exploited for what we have to offer. It's so upsetting and so exhausting.

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Agreed. A lot of people just get told to not even try unless you do/are perfect at it from the first go.

Which is just bonkers. You do not have to be the best, you can be quite horrible at something - as long as you learn or have fun. I am horrible at singing, but that won't stop me from humming or singing along.

And making mistakes is how you learn. You didn't fail, you found a method that didn't work. Attempt again with new information and insight.

in reply to Aprazeth

And if all fails, you still succeeded. You learned something, you had fun. You grew as a person.

The amount of quips we can share are precisely because of us just trying things. Even the things that didn't work out, perhaps especially those, have value. Sometimes as a little story, others as a life lesson.

Don't be scared of trying something (new) or not being the best at it.

Everyone likes an old person with lots of funny stories. So start making them ๐Ÿ˜€

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@Aprazeth I do wish that we as a species celebrated doing things for the joy of it more, evenโ€”and especiallyโ€”if we're bad at it.

I think it's both a type of gate-keeping, and a way to feel powerful without doing anything positive, when folx put someone down for not being as good at something.

For instance, I'm pretty good at Monster Hunter. It's been my favorite game series since MH3U (2013). I play online a lot, and I inevitably hear someone saying "stay at base noob", "get good", or some equally shitty suggestion to someone who carted (lost one of the group's shared lives).

Instead of shaming, I make it a point to protect newer folx when they enter the fray again, and give them a chance to learn (and also to block folx who act like assholes).

I love that game and, like with everything I love, I want to share it with as many people as possible, so they can experience that joy too (and so I can have one more person to geek out about my passions with).

It's a sad state to think you have to blow out someone else's candle to make yours look brighter.

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@Aprazeth

Enjoying things has gotten so much easier for me since I have children. They just love everything as long as it's joyful. I sing for them, I tell them stories, I act out funny monsters, I draw everything they want drawn ... And at some of that I'm "good", at some of that I'm not. And it's so much fun!

(I mean, sometimes I'm tired and it feels more work than fun, but generally.)

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@Aprazeth this is why I love adult figure skating. Iโ€™ll never be seriously competitive and that is great. I skate because I love it and I donโ€™t have any of the baggage from doing it as a kid. I also know that every year things get harder for me to do so every time I learn something new itโ€™s a double win. Iโ€™ll keep skating for as long as I can and thatโ€™s enough. Iโ€™m glad to see the women at the Olympics were having fun too, especially Alysa Liu. Before she quit, she could do quads and then she talked about how she had a *4 inch* growth spurt and couldnโ€™t do them any more. But instead of mourning what was lost, sheโ€™s celebrating what sheโ€™s gained, confidence and happiness instead of stress and pressure.
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@irene

It is. Imagine what amounts of stress they would have to go through for all of the preparation, training, traveling, and competing while also still growing up, and (attempting at) following an education. And yes, most universities etc have programs aimed at helping these students. Still...

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A saying comes to mind: "A rising tide raises all ships."

The game for me would be Deep Rock Galactic, where I do similar stuff at times. Its just more fun that way. Heck, I think most of my Steam contacts are people adding me for that reason ๐Ÿ˜€

I honestly can't understand, nor would I want to, why some people feel that need to put others down, or to go through the same hardships in life. Why would you want anyone else to suffer like you did? Baffling

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

In my world, society places this sort of judgement on pretty much everything. Seems to be reluctant to credit any position on any spectrum. So I get grief for not expressing an opinion and condemnation when I do. Where my plain-speaking is considered rude. I am grateful I learned to stop worrying about other people's opinions of me. Took a bloody long time to feeling my efforts were good enough. Not for everybody but usually for those who matter to me. As, I suspect, you are.
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lol, there's nothing wrong with fishing for compliments - sometimes we all just need some on-demand support. I personally need compliments delivered multiple times a day within sub-second windows.

I don't know you well, but you seem pretty cool to me. Love the avatar!

I may require the same service in the future.

in reply to Flipper ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€๐ŸŒˆ

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@flipper thanks :gay_alice_shades: I made it with help of one of my Fedi friends; it's based on a photo of me after I dyed my hair those colors.

(I couldn't find the one with the dress off and just the tank top, but this is from the same day)

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ugh this is why I hate being perceived. Basically up until college, I was never perceived as attractive because Iโ€™m Asian (yay, racism) and inter-racial relationships were still a big no no. Then I got to college and it flipped and made me so uncomfortable. To this day, Iโ€™m still uncomfortable being perceived but I know a lot of people think the opposite because I like clothes and shoes and girly things. During the pandemic, I realized that itโ€™s really a body dysmorphia thing because people so strongly do not perceive me the way that I perceive myself in person but over video with video off is reasonable for me.
in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

My (uneducated) view on dreams is that a lot of the time they're not an indicator that something is wrong, but more of an indicator of anxiety that something is wrong. But then most of my life rn is characterized by anxiety. ymmv.

Smart people are the most attractive people, imo, and people who don't rate intelligence are the least attractive. But that's me, and I'm mostly asexual.

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

May I remind you that the vast majority of us has never seen your full face? Those of us who call you pretty on the internet mostly extrapolate from your taste and style. You'll keep those all your life even if (not when!) nature takes away your pretty face and smooth skin.

People might not call you "hot" anymore when you're 80 but they'll for sure say "damn, I wish I'll look like that when I get to your age", pointing at one of the coolest outfits ever seen on a retiree.

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

Initially I tried to find a different word but gave up.

So congratulations, the guy from a country where our generation has at least a minor chance to retire before we drop dead has just become your oracle for a prosperous future. I'll collect my commission in a couple of decades.

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

I see you. And youโ€™re not just a pretty face, you never have been. Youโ€™ve always been scintillating and smart and well read and fun. Easy on the eyes conveys some privilege, but not enough to invalidate all the other good things you are and you do. ๐Ÿฅฐ
in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

Anxiety dreams suck. Depression dreams also. They can really fuck up your day/week or whole outlook for sometime, how they weigh upon you when you wake.

I really don't think you lack substance in any way. In fact you are quite substantial, occupying the entire 3-dimensional space in which you inhabit. ๐Ÿ™ƒ

#MemtalHealth

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The human mind can behave in some odd ways. Here's Professor Bergman in Space:1999 talking about humans and their brain potential.

Any dreams with negativity should always be consigned to the trash heap.

You are beautiful, kind, loving and considerate. We need more people to be like you.

As Carla said in Captain Kronos: Vampire Hunter said, "Beauty fades eventually, but a kind soul remains forever."

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

I only know you from reading your Mastodon posts, and the occasional interaction with you in the comments, but I can absolutely tell that you're a smart and lovely person with a lot of good inside of you, and that's special and amazing! And on top of that you're also pretty, btw ๐Ÿ˜‰

People will always find something to be mean and insincere about, but it matters not. You are who you are, and no one can change that, no matter how much negativity they spew!

You're an awesome person, Alice ๐Ÿ˜Š

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

I don't know if this useful or not, but sharing in case it is?

I went through a similar journey and although I don't remember anyone telling me that people only listened because I was attractive, I internalized that same message and scrutinized accomplishments to see if I could figure out if they were from that or not. I'm sorry you've experienced that too. It REALLY sucks.

Now at nearly 50, I am hitting that "plan B" part. People do react differently now that I'm older and in a bigger body. That's sometimes hard. But it's less in areas of accomplishment and more like ... "service people are less 'extra nice' to me" and random people hit on me less? (Which honestly I was never good at noticing.)

FWIW, looking back now, I see a whole host of intersections of my privilege (white, attractive, thin, young, cis, not poor, ...), and ALSO a lot of drag from misogyny that I didn't see when I was in it.

Tl;Dr? Society and competition is a total mindfuck, to be sure.

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

I woke myself up the other night with a stress dream about... getting enough sleep!

In the dream I was stressing about getting scheduled for something very early the following morning. It was late and I was having zero luck falling asleep. Needless to say, this particular dream was triggered by roughly those actual circumstances and the dream was effectively a self fulfilling prophecy. ๐Ÿซฉ

Thanks brain, that was super helpful.

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

On a semi-related note, I met one of my girlfriend's relatives for the first time today. They seem nice enough, but in our couple hours or so of talking, they haven't asked me a single thing about myself. However, they did guess my age (they were a decade low, but ๐Ÿ’๐Ÿผโ€โ™€๏ธ), and they did take me aside to tell me I was "very pretty" while I was in the kitchen.

They've also made several comments about me being on my phone when they've walked into the room, including asking if I was texting "one of my admirers". After like the fourth comment, I spoke up (loud enough for everyone nearby to hear), saying "this is a part of me that everyone in my life gets to acceptโ€”I know a lot of people, and I talk to them. I try to always prioritize people in the room, butโ€”" and there they cut me off to say it wasn't a problem and that I'd been respectful so far.

I'm sure they only have the best intentions, but it does leave me with the impression that I'm a pleasant object to talk at.

Though credit where due, they haven't used feminine pronouns for me yet ๐Ÿ‘

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

@aly I donโ€™t understand people who wouldnโ€™t find that fascinating.

(I didnโ€™t realize you were a *professional* lockpicker โ€” do you do pen testing, or is it part of something else?)

in reply to Michael Gemar

@michaelgemar "professional" may be a bit of a stretch, but I have taught at a few conferences, and I'm scheduled to do another one in a couple months. I'm Red Team Tools' brand ambassador, in early talks about designing my own tool set for them, and I've been paid for my services as a lockpicker. So I feel like "professional" is a reasonable label at this point.

@aly

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

why, though? I mean seriously. I know, that women (and I assume on this stretch everybody that 'looks' female to those people) generally run a considerable risk of being belittled, especially when looking good (I always assume it's a petty reaction on the belittling person's own envy and feeling of inadequacy), but this is the first time I hear that about someone that is not in a cis/'classical' relationship.
in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

๐Ÿซ‚๐Ÿซ‚๐Ÿซ‚

I dislike your ex a bit more everytime I read about them ๐Ÿค (even when I already knew about what I read)

For what it's worth, while I think you look great and would be glad if you agree to a hug should we ever meet, I don't want to fuck you, and still think you are one of the most interesting and kind persons I know :neocat_heart:

> if I'm using you for your body, I'm doing a really bad job of it

๐Ÿคญ
Although, maybe they want a cuddleable heat source in their bed, in which case they did a great job ๐Ÿ˜‡๐Ÿ˜›

> I was the pretty one with no substance.

Your brain is lying! You are pretty *and* have substance! ๐Ÿซ‚

> they were a decade low, but ๐Ÿ’๐Ÿผโ€โ™€๏ธ

I can't fault them for that, I keep doing that to people of Fedi ๐Ÿ™ˆ (I still can't believe some people I saw pictures of are over 40, I'm so bad at guessing ages x_x (please, don't tell me you are over 40 as well ๐Ÿ˜›))

> they did take me aside to tell me I was "very pretty" while I was in the kitchen.

Talking only about themself and being bitter because you're on your phone instead of waiting for them to talk is one thing (still not ok) but this is so gross ๐Ÿคข

I hope that's not someone you'll have to see often ๐Ÿซ‚

And I hope you'll have better dreams tonight ๐Ÿคž:neocat_heart:

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in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

I've always thought it must be really hard for 'drop dead gorgeous' people to get along in life. Pretty much everyone they encounter is trying or lying to get closer to them because of infatuation. This is why (imho) Marilyn Monroe chose non conforming 'ugly' blokes. Am prepared to be wrong about this, am just spouting opinions as I feel them...
in reply to Art Brew

@ArtBrew I'm not drop dead gorgeous by any means and, while part of me wouldn't mind, another part knows it's already been difficult in life telling if people are interested in me or just want a trophy.

That's less of an issue now that I'm not freshly 18 or 21, but going to some bars when I was younger sometimes felt like being lamb at a meat market...and that's how I mistakenly learned that sex was love ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜ž (thankfully, I've since learned better).

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

You always remind me of the old 90s rave song (Move Your Ass youtube.com/watch?v=2RneoccuJwโ€ฆ) where it drops the line: "It's nice to be important but it's more important to be nice."

Your kindness is beautiful and durable.

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

In case it helps, I think you are full of substance. Being pretty doesn't take away from that. :neofox_heart:

I have a history of issues too (e.g. I still struggle to feel safe around people). It takes a while to learn how to be vulnerable, and takes a while to see oneself as others do.

For the record, I've met you in person and can testify that you are safe and comfortable to be around. And can assert that people like you for many different reasons.

*stamps certificate with Kat paw*

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

I don't follow you because you're pretty. I follow you because you're interesting, and post and share cool things on the regular. Plus you seem kind and caring. I'd say your plan B is working out just fine. ๐Ÿ˜€. Keep it up.

And it's totally ok to feel anxiety, just try no to let it have power over you. Most people feel anxiety, and it can control you if you let it. (My anxiety and I have had regular fights... I win some lose some.)

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

I love to read about dreams.
Thank you for sharing.

I guess you KNOW that you are not your looks alone, right?
You are funny, got interesting hobbies, a lovely way of articulation and all in all seem to be a heartwarming person.
Take it easy, sometimes brains do the weirdest things.

Check out the wild thing my brain did some days ago:
23.social/@overflo/11609923839โ€ฆ

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