Remember kids:
IRC is free.
IRC is a open standard.
You can run your own IRC server.
IRC doesn't collect data on you and sell it.
You can still moderate your channels via invite, voice, and ban modes.
You can run a server on a 486.
IRC doesn't try to up sell you on "nitro".
IRC doesn't need to make money to make some VC happy.
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Elena ``of Valhalla''
Unknown parent • • •@Miah Johnson @Jonathan Lamothe between the time when Google tried to kill it and today XMPP has had quite a revival and has grown a lot of features that wasn't common at that time but are considered quite important today (such as working well on mobile connections, and when used from multiple devices, and of course e2ee)
and there are bridges to use it to access IRC servers, and I've heard that they are quite useful to access IRC from mobile devices 😁 (I still have irssi in a screen)
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Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •@Jonathan Lamothe @allo I often use an XMPP chat with people in the same room (as one does 😁 ) and my feeling¹ is that with pc clients the lag tends to be in the 2-3 seconds range, *but* we also are on the same server, and that may help.
mobile clients have a bit more lag
Other than that the other group chats I'm in only have a handful (<10) of people, and that probably helps in making lag not an issue.
¹ I haven't actually measured it
R.I.Pienaar
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in reply to R.I.Pienaar • • •@ripienaar counter: libera.chat.
Just because efnet turned into a shitshow, and freenode sold out doesn't mean you can't run your own server. You _DON'T_ have to chat on a "big" network. You can run your own for friends and family.
"The stuff irc opers get up to" sure. Everything can be abused. Just throw your PC into the ocean already.
R.I.Pienaar
in reply to Miah Johnson • • •Point is, you have valid points about IRC and I agree a lot - but the big missing “*" is if you are able to pick a good and well run and well intentioned server or network.
Much the same concerns as here etc.
R.I.Pienaar
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in reply to R.I.Pienaar • • •And indeed, I can also run my own Mastadon server - but even I dont do that I pay someone to do it.
It's just not a viable answer for someone who uses Slack day to day.
Until we find ways to deal with these super hard to solve problems, these suggestions are largely not useful. Many of us have tried corporate IRC servers and lol, how bad does that go.
benjamin melançon
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Zulip is so much better than Slack (topics not threads! so much better— and i am someone who cannot choose an e-mail subject to save my life), also better than IRC. Zulip is what we moved to.
Free software that you *can* self-host but also available as a service.
I think for many it will hit that sweet spot between convenience and freedom/control.
zulip.com/
Zulip — organized team chat
ZulipBjörn
in reply to benjamin melançon • • •It does sound like we reinvent email for a lot of things for those that don't "like" e-mail.
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