@Maddie, Wizard of Installs 🪄 This is a very real problem that I wish I had a good solution to. Content moderation is hard to get right in a centralized system. It's 100x harder in a decentralized one.
I think the best course of action is to keep talking about it until someone smarter than me finds better solutions than what we presently have. Also, report and block all the things.
I hate that those are the only options I have available right now.
@me The biggest mechanism I see in use in CS2 is community enforcement of a strict no-tolerance policy for racist speech.
We hand-wring here instead of just ejecting them. I understand that it’s more complicated in a decentralized system like this, but there are things that could be happening as a community that people don’t show a ton of motivation to actually do.
@Maddie, Wizard of Installs 🪄 I wasn't aware that such a system existed (I've never played CS). I should look into it. Has anyone implemented some kind of similar system that's fedi-compatible? It sounds similar to how I understand moderation to work on bsky (something else I don't know a lot about).
It isn’t a technological solution, it’s the behavior of the community when confronted with racism.
The only technical system in CS is a vote kick, and a community that isn’t afraid to use it.
Better tools are desperately needed, but the community also needs the will to do something.
(You can see this in Mastodon trying to hire a new iOS developer. Safety is barely on their radar.)
And yeah, it would be a lot more complicated here. We don’t get to that step because there’s too much benefit of the doubt.
The fedi is weaponized propaganda, exploiting the benefit of the doubt, and a whole bunch of gullible people. I was one of them until I started to catch on.
@Maddie, Wizard of Installs 🪄 Yeah. I know I've fallen into the whole benefit-of-the-doubt trap myself. Censorship makes me uneasy, but I also have to recognize that as a straight cis white dude, I can't afford the luxury of relying on my own personal experience alone.
I've heard too many people complain about bigotry here to simply write it off as an isolated incident.
Jonathan Lamothe
in reply to Maddie, Wizard of Installs 🪄 • •@Maddie, Wizard of Installs 🪄 This is a very real problem that I wish I had a good solution to. Content moderation is hard to get right in a centralized system. It's 100x harder in a decentralized one.
I think the best course of action is to keep talking about it until someone smarter than me finds better solutions than what we presently have. Also, report and block all the things.
I hate that those are the only options I have available right now.
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@me The biggest mechanism I see in use in CS2 is community enforcement of a strict no-tolerance policy for racist speech.
We hand-wring here instead of just ejecting them. I understand that it’s more complicated in a decentralized system like this, but there are things that could be happening as a community that people don’t show a ton of motivation to actually do.
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It isn’t a technological solution, it’s the behavior of the community when confronted with racism.
The only technical system in CS is a vote kick, and a community that isn’t afraid to use it.
Better tools are desperately needed, but the community also needs the will to do something.
(You can see this in Mastodon trying to hire a new iOS developer. Safety is barely on their radar.)
And yeah, it would be a lot more complicated here. We don’t get to that step because there’s too much benefit of the doubt.
The fedi is weaponized propaganda, exploiting the benefit of the doubt, and a whole bunch of gullible people. I was one of them until I started to catch on.
like this
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Jonathan Lamothe
in reply to Maddie, Wizard of Installs 🪄 • •@Maddie, Wizard of Installs 🪄 Yeah. I know I've fallen into the whole benefit-of-the-doubt trap myself. Censorship makes me uneasy, but I also have to recognize that as a straight cis white dude, I can't afford the luxury of relying on my own personal experience alone.
I've heard too many people complain about bigotry here to simply write it off as an isolated incident.
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