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I have encountered more image descriptions on Mastodon in 24 hours than I have in Twitter in a couple of years. Seriously. I'm not exaggerating.
As a blind person, this means a lot to me. If you read this and you describe your images, thank you so, so, so much on behalf of all of us. If you don't, now you know you'll be helping random Internet strangers make sense of your posts by typing in a few more words than usual.
It is a lot more intuitive how to add alt text in Mastodon.
it's a LOT easier. I love it!
Actually I don't put description on the images I toot there, usually because they're just funny ones and it stops being funny if it has to be described/explained so the extra work seems pointless to me.

Would you consider that acceptable ? When do you believe it is important to describe images ?
It is not acceptable to not describe images of jokes. It excludes people.

This is a general problem: Abled people don't expect disabled people to participate in jokes and memes and shitposts, but we do. We don't want to be excluded from fun stuff our friends/peers are doing.

It doesn't ruin the joke to explain it; anyone who doesn't need/want to look at the description won't.

But even if it did, people matter more than jokes.
> people matter more than jokes

This. ☝️

@lienrag @guilevi
Yep. Good moment to point it out again. ❀
So, everytime you post a joke you take the time to translate it to Chinese, Arabic, Russian,.... in order to be sure to include everyone ?
As far as I know Chinese, Arabic and Russian aren't disabilities and as such it is a very poor taste comparison.

Ingo Lantschner doesn't like this.

@Hypolite Petovan @Lien Rag It's also worth noting that online translation services exist and are somewhat decent. There's a reason we use photos in captchas.
This sounds like a moral lecture from someone who has run out of arguments. As we all know, there are jokes that do not translate well, if at all, into other languages. There is a word joke and also a "picture joke" - even if this term is not familiar. Musicians entertain themselves with funny melodies - which I don't even begin to understand. I would never think of accusing them of excluding me. To accuse someone of excluding others because their messages are not universally transferable is nonsensical and would ultimately lead to an impoverishment of all cultures.

That said, I would like to see alt-text added to images that are difficult to describe. Even at the risk of the joke not being understood.
@Ingo Lantschner Are you seriously suggesting that me calling someone out for equating disability with non-Latin scripts sounds like I'm running out of arguments?

I hope you ran your comment by one of your many visually-impaired friends because otherwise it would sound pretty fucking privileged.
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@Hypolite Petovan What I'm saying is that you don't make arguments, but moralise and judge: "your jokes aren't that funny", "your comparisons show bad taste", "your comments sound privileged" are, at least in my understanding, not arguments, but rather speeches of a priest or a governess. I have no problem with priests and governesses - they are honourable professions - but I am surprised to find them in this discussion, and this after you have accused others of having no arguments. Does that really fit together?

But maybe we have a misunderstanding of language or culture here. Because in the end we come to the same conclusion that alt-texts are helpful even for "funny pictures".

Perhaps I should clarify what an argument is in my sense:
just remember that just because a joke loses all its fun to you if it is explained, that does not mean others will all feel the same. We've gotten used to finding descriptions of visual jokes sufficiently amusing;
(copied from the above comment by @Mayana)
And here we see clearly what are the advantaged of an argument: it picks up the discussant, addresses his arguments and enables him to change his point of view. Telling him that his jokes are not funny will not achieve that.
@Ingo Lantschner I do moralize and judge because it is a very moral issue, there's no logical point to make here. When somebody say "Please add image descriptions so that visually-impaired people can also enjoy your funny pictures" and someone is essentially like "Nah", you know there's no logical argument that will get through them, they purposefully chose to publicly exclude disabled people, which is an extremely (im)moral position.

Word to the wise, next time you actually agree with someone, please don't comment on their tone publicly. You don't have to like it, but it won't do anyone any favor to comment on it.
@Hypolite Petovan It's not about tone. Your message and the one I quoted send completely different messages:

Your pictures may be not that funny if you can't describe them


Please consider describing them anyway, because blind people may have a different perspective than you have.

Even without the "please", the second message would be more substantial, more communicative and less arogant than the first.

It is now up to you to decide how you want to communicate further. For my part, I would like you to refrain from unsolicited "wise advice", for example.
@Ingo Lantschner And now you can go fuck yourself.

You apparently haven’t picking on the subtle hint I wasn’t interested talking about this with you anymore, but this should clear any lingering misunderstanding.
Interesting ... that a person who presents himself as so morally superior is so quick to fly into a rage.
Not only that. It gives me the opportunity to inject humour into the alt text that blind people can appreciate and laugh at. Alt text can be description and silly.
thanks for making me aware of image descriptions. I intend to use them from now.
In addition, people can follow @PleaseCaption (and let the bot follow them back) to get a reminder if they post an image without description.
I'm trying to learn to remember to do that.
@JustRosy if you follow @Please Caption Bot, it'll remind you when you forget.
Thank you! I'm setting that up now!
It's been followed/added. Thank you again!
interface matters, culture matters. glad it's helping, let's all keep reminding the new waves as they come in to make sure it stays that way
- CW for spoilers, politics, controversy, possoble trauma triggers
- ALT text for every image
- Block user or server/Mute/report rather than fighting
oh and
- use #CamelCaseHastags so that screen readers can prounouce them
skimping on the second 'h' in Hashtag again? ;) How much latinum to add it back in? ;)
Just checking that you were all paying attention. You *passed* the test...congratulations.
ah, that explains the diploma in my mailbox, along with the bill for it, of course.
- add your popular #hashtags to your dictionary so you spell them consistently
- and of course, use #CamelCaseHashtags so that screen readers can prounouce them
and the pro aspect of image descriptions, you can add additional information over the default 500 character limit of mastodon πŸ˜‰
@Wolfgang @Guillem Leon

yeah but that's a mastodon argument tho.
Over here that doesn't matter at all.
As some kinda hidden message in any case sounds interesting!
Could lead to terribly confusing conversations! πŸ˜€

@Hypolite Petovan
Image descriptions on friendica?
and HowTo display the existing ones?
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And they appear in a tooltip in desktop browsers by hovering your mouse pointer over the image, and in iOS Safari, if you hold tap on an image, it will show the description alongside ways to save it locally on your phone.

These are standard behaviors, we just use the regular alt HTML attribute.

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