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There has been a minor resurgence in "personal cassette tape players" (known more widely by Sony brand name 'walkmen') The most disturbing thing is how bare-bones these new products are... falling *far* short of the walkmen of yore.

This one is $80, it has a USB-C rechargeable battery, but no song skipping fast forward, no bluetooth, auto-reverse... frankly it's exceptional for having both rewind AND fast forward.

I feel like a barbarian looking at the achievements of the ancients.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

I want a walkman that has *all* of the best old features AND a modern rechargeable battery, Bluetooth for my earbuds... and give me a little VFD display ...

But especially auto-reverse... that was the most magical aspect of tape players.

And I have all these tapes that were designed so you could "flip" them at certain points so the songs lined up in fun ways... Let me recapture the magic...

in reply to myrmepropagandist

You wouldn't even need most of the mechanical complexity - you could rapid-scan the contents of the tape into non-volatile memory and play back from there (but stil emulate the tape being there by allowing "auto-reverse/flip at this point"). Save wear and tear on the tape.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

Put an LCD screen behind a little window with a movie of spinning wheels, plus a little speaker making whirr noises.

And a camera with OCR that reads the name of your tape and downloads mp3s of the songs on that tape.

There is a Fisher price LP record player. In the old days, each record had bumps that worked on a spring driven music box. In the modern version, the player recognizes the record, then plays the associated song from internal memory.

in reply to Marius

IDK... I feel like if it comes to this? I'd rather just move on. Let the dead tape stay dead and unplayed as their magnetic tape evaporates and fragments and becomes forgotten.

Let the bits be reclaimed by the magnetic fields of space... let the plastic turn to dust in the sun...

in reply to Marius

@Zamfr @ersatzmaus

A friend's daughter once commented at a party how cool that our stereo had a display on top that made it look like it was actually playing a vinyl record, and our friend had to explain to her that it was actually playing a vinyl record.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

there is apparently *exactly one* manufacturer in the world which still produces cassette mechanisms... and they are not very good at all.
in reply to The Original Stripey Goodness

every single current new cassette player uses the mechanical part from that one manufacturer.
And that manufacturer cannot produce auto-reverse for one reason or another I do not at the moment recall. It is apparently difficult enough that the money numbers do not work out in favor of... whatever. 🙁

I kinda wonder if it would make sense to get a really nice-condition vintage unit (either nice used or new old stock) which has the necessary mechanical features, and then hack in modern power and Bluetooth.

in reply to The Original Stripey Goodness

@stripey from what I've heard/seen on several YouTube channels there is indeed just a single cassette mechanism still under manufacture & it's not just pretty basic but also only mono, no stereo heads in it
in reply to myrmepropagandist

@stripey I still use cassettes for retro computing but that doesn't need stereo but it's not good we are in this situation for new kit
in reply to Peter Mount

@peter @nina_kali_nina has done some *fascinating* work around "can we recreate magnetic media in the home shop these days" and while "I 3D printed a working cassette mechanism and then wound my own heads" seems so far away I don't think it is realistic, what she's done gives me hope that not all is yet completely lost.
It's not like the high-tonnage foundry technology which can probably never be done again without starting over...
in reply to The Original Stripey Goodness

@stripey @nina_kali_nina I think I've seen that, although I've not (yet) seen making the mechanisms but I wouldn't be surprised if that has been done
in reply to Peter Mount

@peter @nina_kali_nina yeah, the mechanisms are not yet part of the body of work - and I cannot speak at all for whether she'd be at all interested in tackling that part. But winding a tape head, and experimenting with making the actual magnetic media... that's fascinating stuff
in reply to Peter Mount

I'm actually interested in making my floppy drive more than in making my own tape player - but the head is basically the same 😀
The new iteration of the experiment is on hold, too much other stuff happens in my life, but the current results of home wound tape heads aren't bad, I think!
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in reply to myrmepropagandist

so much fantasy RPG stuff from the oughts was about people trying to rebuild after an old cataclysm that destroyed a brilliant ancient civilization and most of the really good tech is whatever they salvage from the ruins

never thought we'd live to see the most boring possible implementation of that

in reply to myrmepropagandist

my dad bought a double tape deck (aka: boom box for us oldies). And, like you said, it's bare bones features now. The two tape decks weren't even linked! So no tape to tape. Sad times.
in reply to Ronnie Tucker

@ronnietucker

I had a double deck boombox as a teen where the tapes went in the same slot side by side like a sandwich. They both had auto reverse so you could line up over 180 min of music with no repeats.

But also seeing the two tapes in the slot and the solid way it closed was so satisfying.

I can't even find a photo of this model of boombox online. I think it was Casio or Sharp. (it was not Sony)

in reply to myrmepropagandist

i once had a sony walkman with auto reverse, a remote on the headphone cord and non-mechanical buttons not much larger than a cassette itself... (after that i bought a sony md walkman from the first money i have ever earned after school. it could even record. it was a technological marvel)
in reply to trurl :unverified:­­ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ᅠ ༽

@trurl there is literrally no machine or engineer on this planet who can build or knows how to build something like this. when technics reissued the 1210 a few years back, they had to reverse engineer everything and retool a whole factory as they destroyed all manufacturing equipment back in the day. these are the marvels of capitalism. Fiio literally took the best available casette mechanics and even improved them. this is peak cassette player technology in 2024.
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in reply to myrmepropagandist

The demand is there, but the truth is that society has literally forgotten how to build cassette decks like we used to. Those things were marvels of miniature mechanical engineering, and re-bootstrapping the supply lines to re-manufacture old designs would be an incredible undertaking.
in reply to Growlph Ibex

imagining the rats or bedbugs or whatever gains sapience after us digging up our stuff and staring in bafflement at just what happened a few decades after 9/11 like

> We realised, of course, the great decadence of the Old Ones’ sculpture at the time of the tunnelling; and had indeed noticed the inferior workmanship of the arabesques in the stretches behind us. But now, in this deeper section beyond the cavern, there was a sudden difference wholly transcending explanation—a difference in basic nature as well as in mere quality, and involving so profound and calamitous a degradation of skill that nothing in the hitherto observed rate of decline could have led one to expect it.

in reply to The Witch of Crow Briar

the way old AI stuff (deepdream, etc.) looked like shoggoths turned out to be prophetic in the worst possible way...

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