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If you're mad at EFF for making it possible to use Chrome with less tracking instead of yelling at people to use a different browser, then I assume you have never heard of harm reduction. Giving people digital privacy and security advice means meeting people where they're at. Otherwise, you're just running your mouth to make yourself feel smart.

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in reply to evacide

these critiques surprise me. I didn't know about this announcement. When I looked it up, I found a thoughtful article that includes the paragraph:

"Other browsers, like Firefox and Safari, baked in privacy protections from third-party cookies in 2019 and 2020, respectively. Neither of those browsers has anything like Privacy Sandbox, which makes them better options if you'd prefer more privacy."

They didn't even omit or downplay a recommendation to use a different browser!

in reply to evacide

@evacide Clearly, the only acceptable solution is to encase your devices in concrete and dump them in the bottom of the ocean, otherwise it's your own damn fault. 🙃

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... just running your mouth to make yourself feel <s>smart</s>superior.
in reply to evacide

hi! What is EFF? I have to use chrome for schoolwork & would love to have my privacy back!!
in reply to justpeachy

@justpeachy In case your question doesn't get seen, the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) is an organization that fights for and educates people about digital privacy issues.

More info is available on their web site: eff.org/

in reply to evacide

Hell, yes!!

Would that I had more than just one boost to give...

in reply to evacide

They’re extensions for Chromium browsers, not just Chrome. Some people need to use Chrome extensions, and I appreciate that EFF’s extensions work on Chromium browsers like #Vivaldi and #Brave.
in reply to evacide

See also people complaining that electric cars don't solve all the problems caused by cars.

Or, on a personal note, that I should replace flying with taking a train... on a transoceanic route.

in reply to evacide

Sounds like a debate I've heard about a different topic. It's almost like giving people help and education on a thing is a better idea than just telling them to never use it. Shocking.
in reply to evacide

ah a classic question: idealism versus practical harm reduction.

It's like the people who argue against giving heroin addicts access to safe needles.

in reply to evacide

I do wish there were a greater variety of fully usable web browsers but I have no inclination to yell at anyone about how they should switch to WebPositive.
in reply to evacide

We can't trust EFF to do anything that restricts Google's surveillance capitalism. EFF depends too much on the lobbying fees ("contributions" and "cy pres" money) it gets from Google.
in reply to evacide

EFF should be advising their followers to step out of the box that makes them the product. "Harm reduction" my ass.

I am no longer a follower, or a paying member. What I'm seeing lately is both moral and technical decline.

PS - Its hard to see an impact from EFF's fractional "harm reduction" when Google just shoved Chrome users into a new surveillance mode because too many were opting out of the old mode with blockers like uBlock Origin. If your workaround becomes popular, then #Google will react again with yet another scheme. That math won't add up. It is not reasonable to assume that Google is anything less than hostile to privacy at this point, but the EFF's behavior has been mollifying. #chrome

Doubtless your defenders here would dismiss all of this as some kind of FOSS purist pedantry, but it should concern you that their excuses sound like the old Internet Explorer hype of yore. With followers like that, something has gone wrong.

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in reply to evacide

100%. Also, thank you for posting this! It’s the reason I don’t use Chrome. I’m going to give it another go. 🙂
in reply to evacide

Yes, by that standard, the abolishment movement probably should have handed out leaflets how to deal better being whipped than running their mouth arguing for freeing the slaves to make themselves feel smart.

Especially as Google seems to have absolutely no qualm to take away what little control you have of your browsing experience. Notice how Manifest V3, the web browser attestation thing (that is already in the chromium source code), …

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> If you use Chrome, you can disable this feature through a series of three confusing settings.

A more complete story would also have posted links to alternative browsers. It can't be any harder to install FF than it is to work through "a series of three confusing settings" to disable the privacy sandbox "feature" in Chrome.

eff.org/deeplinks/2023/09/how-…

in reply to evacide

"You can use Chrome with less tracking?!..."
[/me follows the bouncing ball...]
"oh... I already turned all that gunk off already."
(for clarity: I only use Chrome/Edge when a site fails on all my cookie/blocker stuff)
in reply to evacide

also some people are forced by work or circumstance to use it, mitigation is perfectly valid ❤️
in reply to evacide

There are advocacy groups that create converts, and others that hunt heretics.

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