Dear @Gargron,
A fediverse server called Threads is violating mastodon.social’s second server rule:
“2. No racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia…
Transphobic behavior such as intentional misgendering and deadnaming is strictly prohibited.”
Can you please defederate from this server to protect the trans people on mastodon.social?
Thank you.
PS. It’s run by these guys: https://techcrunch.com/2024/03/26/facebook-secret-project-snooped-snapchat-user-traffic/
#mastodonSocial #fediblock #threads #meta #mastodon #transphobia
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So, I'm eating a Wagonwheel for the first time since childhood. I'm not sure if they've gotten significantly smaller, or if I'm just remembering them as being larger than they were.
Probably both.
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This is quite possibly the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. Also, I don't own the copyright to this, I just wanted to share it with the people on yo...YouTube
one of the more sobering lessons was just how little it takes for people to convince themselves they are talking to a person. and how this hallucination builds over time, the more they interact, until it becomes a certainty, something they refuse to let go of.
people consulted my bot for life decisions, kept trying have sex with it in the direct messages. one woman was going to leave her husband for my bot. I kept having to block strangers who got extremely weird about it, in different ways.
exactly. heck, I talk to machines and trees and animals and inanimate objects all the time. nothing wrong with that.
I think "human-like" bots can effect a kind short circuit, a vertigo of the personhood instinct, but also nothing wrong with that per se.
the sinister bit is where that human tendency to relate and find personhood gets maximised and exploited by the ruthlessly amoral, ultracapitalist snake-oil merchants of the bilionaire destroyer class.
https://defcon.social/@SomaFMrusty/112161316200529463
Rusty Hodge [SomaFM] (@SomaFMrusty@defcon.social)
Attached: 1 image Longer, sped-up version of the YT live feed of the ship before it impacted the bridge.DEF CON Social
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!Friendica Support So I upgraded my Friendica node today, and the search seems to be broken.
Anything I type into the search box just yields a blank page in the result.
Edit (mentioned in comments but I'll put it here too):
Searching tags works (/search?tag=).
The follow button is giving the same blank page issue.
The resulting blank page is pretty much immediate. Virtually no lag which would usually indicate the database lookup is hanging.
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I remember seeing a post where a women earned her MD and folks asked why the degree had her maiden name and her response: “my husband didn’t do 8 years of med school.”
Most of my 20s was spent writing under a pseudonym because my full deadname is frankly boring as fuck and super common. I considered legally changing it that as I started using professionally, not just socially. So I’m on my third name right now and I’ve identified some names I like better than Jade but 🤷🏻♀️
@renegadejade Jade is a cool name. Too bad humans because it could just be a variable to swap out wherever.
Lindsey was supposed to be the pen name (we never technically married), but I didn’t know he was an abuser and that someday his name would make my skin crawl. It’s like he’s got his label stamped on my work. He might have funded it, but he didn’t DO it. So I’ll have to be content with confusing everyone.
@renegadejade See, society just needs a system like that. A formula encoded into culture. Plus people who are less hung up on names being normal or permanent like your uncle.
My mom was cool with my name change in 3rd grade (just started using the nickname of my middle name), but she never has quite made the jump to Luna yet, and I started using that in ‘04. Still living as a woman with a deadname! We’ve had several conversations about it, and she starts to understand a little more each time. She’s clinging to certain pat religious answers, which… well anyway! She hasn’t deadnamed me in a couple of weeks at least. I’m plural, too, so, there’s names stuff going on there. I have just never felt too attached to my label. Most of my labels actually. I’m fairly fluid all around. Go wherever it goes.
I’m chatty. I haven’t actually talked much about this stuff in a coherent narrative because I’ve been isolated for many years. Thanks for listening.
You’re welcome. And Thank you. Another plural! I am actively working through plural stuff currently. https://hachyderm.io/@renegadejade/112146051513736797
I’m autistic about names, labels, and identities. If I pursue a PhD, I want to research how queer/trans people form identities through their media consumption. Realizing all my video game characters and TTRPG characters were power fantasy the whole time. I was trying to express Jade through them. Super interested in this.
@renegadejade As a writer, we do that there, too. All of my fictional characters have a piece of me in them. Many of them turn out to be metaphorically autobiographical. I’ll see common unplanned themes or symbols rising up in stories I write around the same time frame. LARPing stuff, too. I haven’t really thought through what archetypes I used to play. 🤔
That’s bringing up so many threads. I tried to write one out but my word-centers are shutting down from tiredness and the weed kicking in lol I’ll go check out the plural thread.
@renegadejade Ok I just irl made the 😮 face because guess which two vampire clans I played the most? Malkavian and Ravnos, both of which have powers of illusion and disguise. And I liked Changeling much better than V:TM, so ran a tabletop campaign for three years, AND worldbuilt my first novel inspired by that game. Basically everybody’s a shapeshifter in there!
See, I hear all these trans women all chatting about seeing this or that media and super relating to it and it’s all clicking for them with an “it all makes sense now,“ vibe, and I’ve never connected with that idea until *just now.*
@renegadejade Wow! Yeah the crazy vibe was also part of the Malks and Changeling. Another archetype is anything that can hide in shadows, disarm traps, and use poison 😂
Congrats on feeling at home in yourself!
Holy shit.. #Apple, can I get a refund?
Unpatchable vulnerability in Apple chip leaks secret encryption keys
Unpatchable vulnerability in Apple chip leaks secret encryption keys
Fixing newly discovered side channel will likely take a major toll on performance.Ars Technica
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That indeed is an interesting question, that I would like to have a legal answer to, you know, from a product liability and consumer rights perspective.
If something is broken, you have a right to get it fixed (at least in a limited way where I live). If it can't be fixed, you have a right for reverse transaction.
I wonder if this applies here. In my opinion it does, but #IANAL
I just had a realization.
It was (and is) always so confusing when The Bad Straights claimed “gay people getting married will ruin the institution for everyone.”
But I think they always meant that if two men or two women can get married, then marriage must not be defined by a man obtaining a woman as servant/property & securing exclusive rights to her labor, identity, & body.
And without that, they can’t even imagine what purpose marriage could ever serve.
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@rmd1023 It’s the same terminal thought though.
If marriage isn’t about owning a woman & rights to her, then it must be meaningless, because to them, that servitude & captivity is totally bound up with the very concept of romantic love.
And if marriage is meaningless then it makes just as much sense to marry your dog etc.
They just can’t imagine a meaning outside man leads/woman serves/woman can’t get away
1. Getting & keeping cheap labor
2. Preserving unfair & unsustainable social hierarchies
3. Maintaining white supremacy
4. Making the already rich, even richer
5. Imposing religious dogma on non-evangelicals
6. Bolstering the fossil fuel industry that's frying a planet & undermining democracies
7. Tax evasion
8. Converting government into a grift where taxpayers pay, without taxpayers benefiting or having a say in policy
9. Donor maintenance
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Don't forget dropping safeguards and laws protecting workers and public welfare...ie water pollution.
@GatekeepKen
The OSHA violations during the height of the covid pandemic in meatpacking plants alone should be a class action lawsuit. Moreover it seeded a super spreader event that infected millions.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/28/trump-to-order-meat-plants-to-stay-open-215555
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/may/12/meatpacking-industry-trump-downplay-covid-threat
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/14/trump-usda-meatpacking-proposal-098352
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/12/us/politics/meatpackers-trump-covid.html
As did the Sturgis motorcycle rally and Florida spring break open-door policy
Trump officials and meat industry blocked life-saving Covid controls, investigation finds
Congressional investigation reveals the lengths meat industry went to downplay risks to workers and lobby receptive Trump officialsNina Lakhani (The Guardian)
@GatekeepKen
Garland hired Jack Smith, an expert in mobs, despots, and their finances.
That's pretty astute.
Until the money behind Trump's fascist movement is investigated, prosecuted, and finally legislated, American democracy isn't safe from the billionaires frying the planet & democracy.
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Garland is incompetent. Period
He was well aware of the time factor. Every expert I've heard agrees, he dropped the ball while claiming time wasn't his guide, but getting all the facts. We don't need all the facts. Smith has overwhelming evidence, in triplets.
@GatekeepKen
Garland began the denazification of the DOJ with the prosecution of Charles McGonigal & Jeffrey Clark.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/02/16/fbi-charles-mcgonigal-sentenced/
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/23/law-enforcement-trump-official-coup-00041767
He hasn't been able to oust Chris Wray to do the same with the FBI.
Reminder: GOP still had control of the DOJ's budget when he was appointed & Garland's requests for funding was thwarted by Republican controlled congress & government shutdowns
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/04/politics/house-republicans-doj-fbi-funding-divisions/index.html
https://time.com/6336404/government-shutdown-republicans-january-6-cases/
While Dodging a Shutdown, Congress May Have Just Given Some Jan. 6 Rioters a Break
Hundreds of Jan. 6 rioters remain uncharged, but the Justice Dept. may have to pull back on cases as the spending bill shifts its budgetPhilip Elliott (Time)
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Nicole, pardon the language ,but he's a pussy. He's so afraid of Looking political , when the other side does it and could give af.
@Npars01 add in replacing political discourse with violence and a lust to expand and you've got textbook fascism.*
Good thing the GOP isn't about violence in place of political debate and hasn't talked about invading Mexico and Canada.
Oh wait.
*If there was such a thing as a textbook definition of fascism. Most scholars agree there isn't. It's too amorphous.
There's this little Chinese restaurant that Katy and I like to order from occasionally. Because this is Canada, the fortune cookies tend to have English and French on them (one language on each side of the paper). They're manufactured in such a way that when I crack them open, I usually see the French side first, which usually isn't a problem.
I'll admit that my French is not as good as my English, but I'm more or less bilingual. This time though, I swear the French side of the fortune was generated by a Markov chain or something. I was actually forced to read the English side to figure out what they were trying to say.
The French side:
Vos yeux délicieux, voire dynamiques, ont fait naître un admirateur mystérieux.
The English side:
Your dynamic eyes have attracted a secret admirer.
Am I just forgetting how to speak French, or is this a really clumsily constructed sentence?
@ECityHuman apparently.
Who am I to question the wisdom of the fortune cookie?
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2004: Wake up sheeple!
2024: Woke as a pejorative.
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"You can love the Army all you want, it ain't necessarily gonna love you back," applies to a WHOLE lot of organizations.
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The biggest struggle of my artist life is explaining to people that I draw slime girls that are entirely sfw. I think they are underrated in non-porn settings 😁
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How do you stay focused on one thing? (Question in a panel)
No. I embrace my ADHD mind and some of the best ideas and flashes of inspiration come from me doing something else and then thinking "hey, what if I....."
Instead of forcing neurodivergent people to focus on one thing, why don't you build an environment that allows us to play to our strengths. I guarantee you it'll cause less stress and heartache.
#neurodivergent #AuDHD #ADHD #ActuallyAutistic @actuallyautistic
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Anyways, I'd love to learn about your tools!
One of the things I don't hear talked about enough in the ND community are the two D's Dopamine & Dissonance. If we're doing things that create disonance in our minds, it isn't going to work out, and if we're doing things that don't bring the blessed dopamine, same thing = no go.
I mini detailed my system in another post. My website is down for restructuring, but this is exactly what I want to talk about over at Chicken Yogi & Unscramblet. @morothar
https://shakedown.social/@chopaganda/112139783920694196 chopaganda@shakedown.social - Twitter literally suspended the people who outed the Nazi instead of the Nazi himself. Why? The Nazi asked Elon to suspend them.And some of you reading this still help to keep Twitter alive. Get the fuck off that shit and don’t look back.
After appeal to Musk, X suspends accounts that outed neo-Nazi cartoonist
Researchers, journalists are blocked from sharing the alleged identity of Stonetoss.Ars Technica
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I kinda feel like this whole Threads federating discourse is like a referendum in the #Fediverse.
It's not really, because though who want to federate with Threads will, and those who won't won't - or chose an instance appropriate to their desires. It's the quintessential win-win of the Fediverse.
But some of the arguments thrown around have a vibe of electioneering about them. So in that spirit:
- Vote federate with Threads! (35%, 58 votes)
- Vote never-federate with Threads! (64%, 104 votes)
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I don't even think of Threads unless I see someone bringing it up here. Not something I'm interested in personally. I enjoy the lack of corporate-ness here.
If I were to go in any direction on the Fediverse beyond here it would be toward Pleroma not Threads.
This is perhaps rhetorical, but:
A) They don't have to figure out how to find and sign up with a Mastodon instance. If they had an Instagram account, a Threads account was automatically created for them.
B) They don't know something better exists.
C) They don't care.
I do not agree with these points, but they're the most likely motivators. I'd known that Mastodon existed for years before the pandemic gave me the free time to actually look into it, so I kinda get it.
#ZhenHouseZhenBonkwave a #lifestyle show inside #lambdaMOO
https://anonradio.net:8443/anonradio
Hopefully we will be able to go live. Otherwise an extra extra special episode next week.
Otherwise / anyway enjoy @yoniden 's Transmission Received From Galaxy Nine.
https://yoniden.bandcamp.com/album/transmission-received-from-galaxy-nine-nine
Planned topic is discussing what makes a #home . My home in LambdaMOO received a LambdaPost parcel from @me with some wonderful MOO technology inside.
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Problem Adding User to Circles under Fennec
!Friendica Support I recently upgraded to the latest version of Friendica. It's fantastic, but I'm having some difficulty adding users to circles from the mobile web interface using Fennec (a Firefox port) on Android. I can navigate to a user's profile, open the sidebar and check or uncheck circles, but it doesn't actually seem to do anything.
I am not having this problem with LibreWolf on Debian.
To any Threads users who happen to stumble on this post.
Hi!
You are going to see a TON of pushback being here. That's not your fault though. You see, we've all become free of centralized services which make you a product rather then a user. So to some, allowing Meta to federate, is like drinking poison and not expecting it to kill you.
With that said, my hopes is that this will give you the opportunity to see how much better it is to be a USER and not the PRODUCT.
Leave Meta. We have cake.
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At some point (apparently last December) a new #Friendica version came out and I hadn't noticed. Finally got around to upgrading, and it seems to be running much more smoothly than the previous version.
Also, there's a "channels" feature now? Gonna have to look into what that is.
No matter what, we will reach Net Zero. Whether that’s emissions or humans remains to be seen.
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&& as having a higher operator precedence than ||. That led to a fun little bug.
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Today while I was out, I saw a guy at a busy intersection holding a handwritten sign. Obviously, I assumed he was panhandling, because people frequently do that there.
As I approached, I saw that his sign only had a URL on it. Out of curiosity, I visited it. Turns out it was some bitcoin mining scam.
While this was definitely a novel marketing approach, I wonder how they figured this particular tactic would instill confidence in anyone...
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There is a concept that some of you might find helpful - "subjective units of distress".
Many years ago, I was struggling badly with my life, going through one mental breakdown after another. I asked my psychiatrist: "How can I live my life if my anxiety goes from 0 to 60 in the matter of seconds?". The psychiatrist said: "But Nina, no one, including you, goes from 0 to 60 instantly. It just feels this way."
So, he explained, human brain is silly and usually cannot tell the difference between not being distressed (SUDS 1) and quite distressed (SUDS 7). As long as we keep functioning, our internal brain state and suffering in it seems to be almost invisible for us.
If I am at SUDS 2, and accidentally spill morning coffee on my blouse, it will probably raise my distress to SUDS 4 or 5, but I will change to a new blouse and go to work.
If I am at SUDS 7 after a doctor's call, and spill coffee on myself, I'll go from being calm to a sobbing mess faster than you can say "therapy".
Keep track of your SUDS!
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in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Piling on here, I could not agree more. The Fediverse is a welcoming space that takes people as they are, with essentially the singular exception of hateful people.
I'm sure I've spoken poorly more than once, and I'll never truly be the person that I aspire to be. But I come from a place of acceptance, love, and equality and it seems reasonable to me to expect the same in return.
Witix :verified_gay:
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Jonathan Lamothe
in reply to Witix :verified_gay: • •@Witix :verified_gay: @Aral Balkan @Eugen Rochko Which was exactly Gab's argument...
Yay double standards!
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in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •Jonathan Lamothe
in reply to Witix :verified_gay: • •Dan Morris
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •This is a tough one, because a mastodon server has 2 choices: block users and block servers. Generally, you'd block a server if its own managers are unable to moderate their own users (thereby making it in the interest of the server managers to maintain some moderation). However, I think we can all agree that Threads is going to be a hot-mess that is never going to be seriously moderated.
So, the question is, "how" can this be done without completely cutting them off? Or, perhaps it's best NOT to accommodate them and just shut them off?
I have lots of family on Facebook, but my account has been inactive for 5yrs now. I'd like to avoid ever going there and just have them on here -somehow. But, I'd rather not hear from them and avoid hearing a bunch of nazi ranting and disinformation every day.
If there's a way to do it, it would be cool. If not.... meh. block them.
Jonathan Lamothe
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in reply to Aral Balkan • • •of all the pro-meta blog posts in the past six months, I have never read anything to the tune of "Threads is bound by Mastodon's terms of service like any other instance."
Hundreds of thousands of published words and none formed a sentence close to that. Not even in the form of a question. Odd.
WobblyElmer
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Pull the pin on #threads.
Michael Bishop ☕
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Twitter_expat ✅(Fedi Resident)
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Alex
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •its a tough one..
For me personally the primary reason to defederate threads is history - for decades large corpos have followed agressive assimilation principle. There are barely any exceptions and I cant come up with any, its highly likely threads will be such a case again.
On the other hand, federating with threads gives access to millions of new users that can be positively influenced, threads brings with it potential to take fedi out of fringe and into mainstream.
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in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Selin (@Selin69@mastodon.social)
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Unknown parent • • •Chris Who
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •hansup
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •People on meta will NEVER care 1 second about the fediverse. If you want to connect with your family on meta, join meta. The whole point of the fediverse was being an alternative, not a replacement.
Mister Moo 🐮
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Aral Balkan
in reply to Mister Moo 🐮 • • •Mister Moo 🐮
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •NickWalsh
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Aral Balkan
in reply to NickWalsh • • •@NickWalsh Hey Nick,
Fuck off.
Sincerely,
Me
monorail times
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •william.maggos
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Aral Balkan
in reply to william.maggos • • •If the two links I provided in the original post do not meet your bar for defederation then there’s something wrong with your bar. It also tells me your instance is not a safe space for vulnerable groups. And if your instance happens to be the flagship one and you’re fine with this, it tells me you’re legitimising this behaviour on the greater network.
#fediblockmeta #fediblock #meta
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in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Aral Balkan
in reply to darth_akeda • • •@darth_akeda Clearly, you’re making assumptions about people you don’t know. But I am white-passing and you probably assume I’m also American so I guess that’s why. (Hint: I’m from the part of the world that Americans bomb.)
Anyway, so, needless to say, no, of course that’s not what I mean but I also don’t appreciate being attacked for what you assume me to be.
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in reply to Aral Balkan • • •mathew
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Not only anti-trans. Chaya Raichik ("Libs of TikTok") is on Threads.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libs_of_TikTok
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/libs-tiktok-x-chaya-raichik-bomb-threat-twitter-of-libsoftiktok-rcna102784
After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats followed
David Ingram (NBC News)eatyourglory
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Aral Balkan
in reply to eatyourglory • • •Fabio Manganiello
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •I’m not sure if I agree completely with this statement.
Defederating Gab, poa.st, cum.salon or RapeMeat was really a no-brainer.
Those were instances created by trolls/fascists/homophobic/misogynist admins, and specifically dedicated to people who share the same ideas and the same ways of treating others.
There’s literally no doubt of the ideology of a person who joins one of those instances: if you join Gab or poa.st, then it’s quite easy to identify your ideas as well.
Can we say the same about Threads? Can we say that everybody there is a transphobic, or a Nazi, or a troll? Can we say that the admins explicitly embrace and actively promote these ideologies?
When you have an instance with millions of accounts, you’re always statistically likely to get jerks. The questions that admins have to ask before defederating are:
I have the impression that for Threads the response to these questions is negative, at least for now.
Of course, I’m monitoring the situation, and I’m ready to pull the drawbridge at the first signs that Threads has a negative net added value for the Fediverse.
But that doesn’t seem the case for now IMHO (I actually see a lot of nice/decent people on Threads that are genuinely curious about the Fediverse), and I’m not sure if I would handpick a few cases of moderation failures to make an argument in favour of defederation (rather than individual blocks/bans/mutes).
Aral Balkan
in reply to Fabio Manganiello • • •Have you actually clicked the links in the post and read the articles?
(Because the issue here is that Facebook/Meta is a bad actor, that Facebook/Meta are not moderating transphobia, etc. And that Facebook/Meta should not be federated with in the same way that any other fediverse instance that does what they do would be. If they’re not being defederated then it’s for one reason alone: their size and what some people feel they can gain from that audience.)
Fabio Manganiello
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •I’m very well aware of Meta’s challenges with content moderation. And I definitely would like them to be called more accountable for this.
I’m just challenging the idea that full defederation of a platform with millions of people is the right way to respond to these failures, or if more granular measures (blocks/mutes) can be implemented.
Again, if the tree was rotten at its very roots (Gab, poa.st etc.), there would be no doubt about it.
If the head of the platform was actively engaging and promoting hateful ideologies (like Musk), there wouldn’t be any doubt either.
But for now I don’t see any such strong signals from Thread.
Aral Balkan
in reply to Fabio Manganiello • • •Asta [AMP]
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Fabio Manganiello
in reply to Asta [AMP] • • •far from it, I want him called accountable for his unethical business practices, for his failures at moderation and for being a sociopath.
It’s just that I don’t think that full defederation of a platform with millions of users, and giving up our chance of finally making the Fediverse more mainstream and stopping using other platforms to communicate with our friends and relatives, is the best solution.
Asta [AMP]
in reply to Fabio Manganiello • • •Vinnie (any)
in reply to Fabio Manganiello • • •no server should have millions of followers. It goes against everything that makes the fediverse...well...diverse. The fact that servers can be held accountable is what drives the need for moderation, it's a tool in the arsenal of any decent admin. Threads takes a huge shit on all admins because they are monolithic.
Threads takes away tools for moderation from all servers, so that's why anyone with any sense should defederate now.
C++ Guy
in reply to Fabio Manganiello • • •@fabio @eatyourglory
#Meta is like a tumour: it cares only about its own survival and growth, regardless of the effects on the society on which it feeds. It doesn't matter if people are slaughtered brutally, democracy gets perverted or the UK and the EU are weakened, as long as it helps Meta show more adverts.
The decision we face is not whether to defederate millions of people who would otherwise set up Fedi accounts: it's whether to defederate millions of people who want to access Fedi via Meta, with all the toxicity and dirty tricks that entails. We have no reason to believe that Meta will behave honourably and openly towards us, because we already know how they behave towards everyone else. Giving them the benefit of the doubt means waiting for them to miraculously change their character because we think we're a special case, and then crying into our milkshakes when we realise it's too late and we're drowning in Meta's garbage.
Don't think they care about Fedi: they really don't. To them, Fedi is something that Meta can use either to make money or avoid fines, and if Fedi is ruined in the process, so be it.
Our response should be to defederate them and to publicly explain why, in a well written, authoritative piece that anyone can see without needing a Fedi account. #Threads users who want access to Fedi can set up Fedi accounts: either on civilised instances, where we'll welcome them, or on fash instances, where the rest of us don't have to think about them.
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in reply to C++ Guy • • •C++ Guy
in reply to Rik D'huyvetters • • •@Rik_Dhuyvetters @fabio @eatyourglory
It's not a mistake. They're keeping you engaged by keeping you enraged. And it's not good for you:
https://mitsloan.mit.edu/ideas-made-to-matter/study-social-media-use-linked-to-decline-mental-health
(The headline refers to social media in general, but the article is specifically about #Facebook.)
Study: Social media use linked to decline in mental health | MIT Sloan
MIT SloanFabio Manganiello
in reply to C++ Guy • • •I’m very well aware of all of this. But there’s a plot twist when you actually access Threads from the Fediverse.
Mastodon or Pleroma don’t have algorithmically curated timelines. They simply lack Meta’s engagement machinery.
It means that I can select the accounts I want to follow on Threads, and those activities (and only those activities) will appear on my timeline, in chronological order like everything else.
No “accounts to follow”. No “you may be also be interested in this content”. No algorithmic tricks to shuffle what gets shown in front of you eyes in order to increase your engagement.
C++ Guy
in reply to Fabio Manganiello • • •@fabio @Rik_Dhuyvetters @eatyourglory
Understood. But I feel that we who understand the issues have a moral duty not to help #Meta: not by feeding it information about ourselves, and not by doing anything it can use to increase its users' engagement with its platform.
If Meta's users can access Fedi from where they already are, they have less incentive to step outside and find an experience free of advertising, tracking and Meta's unhealthy mind games.
Fabio Manganiello
in reply to C++ Guy • • •we’re already feeding information about ourselves to Meta, unless our profiles are private and authorized fetch is enabled on the instance (and webfinger is disabled). A quick test is to search for our profile handle on a search engine. If our profiles are already publicly accessible, the odds are that some crawler or bot instance is already scooping them out.
About giving people incentives to migrate to the Fedi: I’ve personally given up. It won’t happen. Just like I’ve been waiting for two decades for people to move to Linux. If even relatively tech savvy people like my wife or my colleagues after all this time are still stuck using MacOS or Meta’s products, I think that the percentage of the population that will do such a big jump (either to a new OS or to a new social media), and especially won’t churn too soon, will always be below the single digit percentage. Everybody hates Meta, everybody knows how many awful things they’ve done, yet nobody is moving from their products because that’s where everybody else is. Until we provide something that can compete with “(almost) everybody’s content is here”, we won’t go far. Sometimes if Mohammed won’t move to the mountain, we’ve gotta move the mountain to Mohammed.
C++ Guy
in reply to Fabio Manganiello • • •@fabio @Rik_Dhuyvetters @eatyourglory
We can't wait for people to move to Linux: we have to help them. I've managed to move two family members and one friend to #Linux. I've got maybe a dozen people regularly using #Signal because I refused to use #WhatsApp and wasn't afraid to explain why. I've migrated at least three people from #Chrome to #Firefox.
IMHO, allowing Fedi to become a small curiosity on the outskirts of #Threads would be our death knell. We mustn't underestimate how evil #Meta is. They don't tolerate competition, they don't play fair, and they don't care how much damage they do as long as it makes money or entrenches their hegemony.
Everyone here knows the three E's: embrace, extend, extinguish. Are you ready to be embraced?
As The World Turns
in reply to C++ Guy • • •@C++ Guy @Rik D'huyvetters @eatyourglory @Fabio Manganiello @Aral Balkan
microsoft using same #strategy with WSL. keeping people from using a real full #GNU/Linux distro and keeping them inside #windows ecosystem.
threads is like #microsoft #WSL. keeping those on fence from actually leaving fuccen #spyware fuccen dickhead #facebook.
#Linux #Signal #whatsapp #chrome #Firefox #threads #meta
Saint Barners
in reply to C++ Guy • • •Aral Balkan
in reply to Saint Barners • • •Dallas (Join Something IRL)
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •@fabio @eatyourglory
There should be a middle ground for defederation. Like a "Read Only" option where users of a particular server can read and share the posts from another, but users on the other server can't read it reply to yours.
Like, maybe I want to read Taylor Swift's posts on threads but dont want random people on threads reading my posts.
Demon Queen Lucretia
in reply to eatyourglory • • •Tripop
in reply to eatyourglory • • •because trans people are babies, they cannot know how to defend themself, and like... use mastodon to block servers and users, so big admin guy have to think for them.
I guess.
Aral Balkan
in reply to Tripop • • •@tripop Go away.
@eatyourglory
FediThing 🏳️🌈
in reply to eatyourglory • • •@eatyourglory
By preventing anti-trans bigotry from spreading to other servers.
It is a long-standing principle on the Fediverse that if an instance refuses to moderate hate content, the instance is defederated.
Meta is refusing to moderate hate content so it should be defederated.
Tushar Chauhan
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •tbones
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Has any threads account commented a #fediverse post so far? I haven't seen a single one but I'm open for an example.
In the other direction just one comment from an Italian mastodon server to a threads post that hasn't been displayed so far in threads.
McWabbit🐰 has moved
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •This is why there is federation. If this server is still federated to Threads in, let's say 6 months, I'll browse below list and pick another server.
On the other hand, I hope all the larger servers reconsider and block #Threads outright.
Because if they don't, it will play right in the hands of #Meta and all the #TechBros' social media platforms to destroy smaller independent alternatives. Just like e.g. #Amazon and #Uber are doing it in their markets.
https://fedipact.veganism.social/?v2
#Fedipact - The instances blocking Zuckerberg's Threads.net
fedipact.veganism.socialIgnacio 🇪🇸🇺🇦:peertube:
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Interesting that nobody puts on the table the third server rule:
"3. No incitement of violence or promotion of violent ideologies...
Support for violent groups or events is prohibited."
While some usual suspects, like masto.nobigtech.es blatantly support Ukrainian genocide by Ruzzia and call nazis to Ukrainian people, and nobody asks for defederation. Why that would be?
Aral Balkan
in reply to Ignacio 🇪🇸🇺🇦:peertube: • • •Bear
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •A lot of the people responding to your toot seemed to have skipped over the articles you linked to, and your point.
Meta is not operating openly and they are not moderating effectively.
😐
Erik Jonker
in reply to Bear • • •Aral Balkan
in reply to Erik Jonker • • •Jingscrivvenz
in reply to Erik Jonker • • •Oh, I should move acc because people running things want to play nice with Satan's data collection company, and won't take the moderation, user-protection steps from the policies they pride themselves on having us read before we sign up?
And having done it already more than once I'll point out that full data portability isn't available in the Fediverse currently. You lose something every time you move, most often Followers.
Just because we can doesn't mean we should have to.
Aral Balkan
in reply to Jingscrivvenz • • •Krzysztof Sakrejda
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Aral Balkan
in reply to Krzysztof Sakrejda • • •@wronglang Meta’s a bit busy with a few other things at the moment but I’m sure they’ll get around to it.
https://techcrunch.com/2024/03/26/facebook-secret-project-snooped-snapchat-user-traffic/
TechCrunch is part of the Yahoo family of brands
techcrunch.comKrzysztof Sakrejda
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Aral Balkan
in reply to Krzysztof Sakrejda • • •Martina Neumayer
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •As we saw on many examples in the past, Zuckerberg's company doesn't respect any laws, rules, rights and so on, secretly stealing and then selling lots of data/content from the unaware people behind their backs.
This is absolutely unacceptable and also illegal, criminal behavior!
madhadron
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Aral Balkan
in reply to madhadron • • •Jonathan Lamothe
in reply to Aral Balkan • •@Aral Balkan @madhadron @Eugen Rochko Not only did they choose to federate, but they actively helped Meta to do it.
Edit: typo
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Vinnie (any)
Unknown parent • • •David
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •@rober see why I was against allow Meta to federate? 😔
As always they go first after trans people, then after the rest.
"If you dont act now because you weren't a trans person. Don't cry when you're attacked."
Fabio Manganiello
Unknown parent • • •I see that you aren’t an instance admin, so I assume that you have blocked the visibility of any content generated by the domain - not defederated for all the users on your instance.
If that’s the case, that’s perfectly fine. You are free to decide what content you want to see, and who is supposed to see your content.
What I criticize is the assumption that admins should take such decisions on behalf of all the users on their instance, and criticize other admins who haven’t taken the same decision.
Serhiy Guryev
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Fabio Manganiello
Unknown parent • • •You seem to have a public profile. Do you know that everything you post is already public - and probably it’s already been used to train AI models, given how cheap it is to scrape the Fediverse?
Threads doesn’t even need to openly federate and engineer their own solution. It just needs a tiny instance that flies under the radar, connects to a relay and follows a couple of accounts through bots.
And even assuming that we as admins can spot all those instances and block them as they pop up, they can still whip up their own crawlers that scrape all public content on the Fediverse. Or just scrape search results.
There’s a widely common misconseption that having a Fediverse profile is more privacy-friendly than having a profile on one of those platforms. The truth is that having a public profile on a platform that leverages open protocols and open APIs isn’t compatible with the idea of privacy. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
counterinduration
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Jonathan Lamothe
in reply to counterinduration • •@counterinduration There are three reasons I still federate. If any one of them stops being a thing, I'll defederate (I've considered it).
Meta fails at point number two, and because of that, I haven't given them the chance to fail point number three.
Edit: typo
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counterinduration
in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •@me
The problem is that if we want to have a commons then it needs to be protected from extraction. A commons that let itself become extracted is not a commons at all, it's just a preparation for extraction.
It's better with a small well protected commons than a bigger one that will allow parts of it to become extracted.