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_________ Fediverse platforms should use a real names policy.

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  • All (0%, 5 votes)
  • Most (1%, 10 votes)
  • Few (29%, 159 votes)
  • None (67%, 358 votes)
532 voters. Poll end: 3 months ago

in reply to Evan Prodromou

The Wikipedia article has links to specific examples of this kind of policy.
in reply to Evan Prodromou

I reject any call for mandatory real-name policies on any internet platform. Private associations? sure. Government? of course.

I understand and acknowledge the challenges in moderation/enforcement vs evildoers without them; It does helps minimize casual asshats. But the real evil ones, spewing horrific content or hate - they're motivated to find ways around it anyways.

Motivated LEO can find you now despite not knowing your real name. All RNPs do is cut out one of x bench warrants.

in reply to Evan Prodromou

By “platform” do you mean the software that an instance runs or the instance itself?
in reply to Stephen Bannasch (316 ppm)

@stepheneb evanp.me/pollfaq#define
in reply to Evan Prodromou

How would one federate trust of the verification for such a thing? If it can't be verified, real name policies are pointless.
in reply to mattlqx

@matt I trust that all the emails I get from ibm.com addresses include the names those people use at work. I don't have to verify that; it's a cultural norm.
in reply to Evan Prodromou

a work setting is vastly different than a social network, especially one where there’s no barrier to someone setting up a server of their own and becoming their own “authority”. Consider how that might play out: server A has a real name policy and validates IDs, server B has a real name policy and doesn’t. How many people would know the difference? Would they believe the validity of either is equal? What difference would it make to the rest of the Fedi that doesn’t have a policy?
in reply to mattlqx

@matt people use the Fediverse for work, and will do so more in the future. My employer, Open Earth Foundation, has an instance for staff. All of us use real names. It's not a policy, just a cultural norm. It does not matter to anyone else on the Fediverse; they don't need to verify it.
in reply to Evan Prodromou

@matt The Fediverse is a global coalition of independent, interoperable social networks. There are a lot of social networks that are not yet connected; I think regulation and market pressures will get them to connect over time.
in reply to Evan Prodromou

My "real" name is the one I ask you to use here, now, in this context. PERIOD.
in reply to Evan Prodromou

There's a few cases -- few of which exist right now -- that would benefit: an instance for public figures, for instance, where the poster's identity is essential for countering misinformation.

Though most would benefit from a _known identity_ policy (one that accounts for aliases) rather than a _real name_.

in reply to Evan Prodromou

how do you define "real". My name here has been my online moniker since at least 2003. I had another before this one (back in CompuServe days). Other than a specific instance where my legal name online is a matter of public record I have never used my legal name online for a variety of reasons. The most basic is that I grew up with an appreciation of privacy that that I believe in to this day. However I also consider my current moniker as "real" as my legal name.
in reply to lakelady

@lakelady I'd suggest looking over the linked Wikipedia page, which covers the issue of what "real names" have meant for different platforms at different times.
in reply to Evan Prodromou

yes I'm familiar with that definition and I was calling it into question.
in reply to Evan Prodromou

I said few because I can see a few small exceptions to what I generally feel which is that requiring real names is a policy that specifically hurts marginalized folk the most and, as such, I am against them. Someone asked about this in a talk I was giving today and while I am often in favor of a *consistent* identity (just to avoid rampant sock puppet issues the likes of which plague Wikipedia) that doesn't have to include real names (whatever those are).
in reply to Evan Prodromou

In the United States any name you choose to use is a legal name and thus your real name, so long as you don’t use it to commit fraud.

Also, I know people who have birth certificates, drivers licenses and passports all with different names and aren’t called any of them IRL.

Besides, the administrative databases that store such information would become major hacking targets.

Don’t store PII and you won’t have to defend it against hackers.

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Michael T Babcock
literally as asked: is anyone asking for a real names policy on the fediverse?
in reply to Evan Prodromou

are we talking legal name or the real name I use in my head and heart?
in reply to Evan Prodromou

@Evan Prodromou What constitutes a "real name"? Also, how would one go about enforcing such a policy? I've yet to see anyone do this in anything resembling a reasonable manner.
in reply to Jonathan Lamothe

@me I don't know what a "reasonable manner" is, but Meta, LinkedIn, and maybe some other networks have real name policies.
in reply to Evan Prodromou

I've seen some small UK village council forums and in that kind of small, trusted community setting, I could see that being a decent policy.

That said, the forums I've seen are public to people outside the village (otherwise I wouldn't have seen them!) and I think that's a far worse idea.

in reply to Evan Prodromou

I haven't really seen people requesting this, is this an issue that's come up recently?
in reply to Rabbit Cohen

@BathysphereHat so, I don't get this question. Who would be requesting it? Why would those requests go to you?
in reply to Evan Prodromou

@BathysphereHat the poll is over now. Nobody has to ask for permission to set up a Fediverse server. My employer, Open Earth Foundation, has a Mastodon server and we use our real names for profiles because it's for work. I don't know if it counts as a policy or just a norm.
in reply to Evan Prodromou

That answers my question! I meant like, I've seen people on other platforms saying that they should have real name policies, and I was wondering if you had seen people saying the same thing here.
in reply to Rabbit Cohen

@BathysphereHat it came up during a call. I realized there were already a few ActivityPub-enabled services that have real name policies, and I wanted to see what people thought about the idea.
in reply to Evan Prodromou

The fediverse is a safe haven for us who believe in digital rights. Loosing that ability kills the edge fediverse brings.
in reply to Evan Prodromou

Only on servers supporting an official government or institutional public-trust function. And governments absolutely should be running their own ActivityPub software--that is specialized for public information missions--instead of X or Twittter or whatever externally controlled trashfire social media they are currently wasting resources on.
in reply to Evan Prodromou

A lot of conversations! I think these make a lot of sense for instances where there's natural real-world affinity, like for universities or companies. My employer org, Open Earth Foundation, has a Mastodon server for employees and we all use our real name.
in reply to Evan Prodromou

I think we will always have anonymous and pseudonymous instances, so there's always going to be a mix. But which will be "most"? I'm hopeful that we get more companies and universities here, so I'm going to use some wish craft and say "most". Thanks for all the answers!
in reply to Evan Prodromou

It might be fair to compare email servers and account. Are most email servers real-name or pseudonymous? Not sure, but my gut says real-name. Huge commercial services like Gmail and Outlook might have more total accounts, and many are pseudonymous? Not sure how the numbers add up.
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in reply to Evan Prodromou

You'd want a static IP capable of RDNS lookup (reverse DNS) to run a mail server. Mail servers are well-identified. Once upon a time, this was not the case, but that scheme was open for abuse.
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Evan Prodromou
@nomdeb I don't think your employer asks you to use your real name for work email because it makes you more civil. They expect you to do it because it's the cultural norm.
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Evan Prodromou

@mattl I think LinkedIn in is a likely candidate to join the Fediverse, and they have a real name policy.

linkedin.com/help/linkedin/ans…

I think Threads has a real name policy:

transparency.meta.com/policies…

Flipboard asks for your real name for login but you can use a pseudonym.

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Michael T Babcock
yeah the one word what? response was annoying enough to not care about the answer. "I'll answer after the poll" would've been perfectly valid. The other was just irritating as an adult.
in reply to Evan Prodromou

@nomdeb

Everyone knows me as idea...
I've used the name for long enough so that it's got me all over it and as I'm known, I keep the moniker in place.
Noone remembers my real name anyway.

AND, Idea is the voice I've developed over years; it has a life of it's own.

in reply to Evan Prodromou

You start from a disingenuous premise. It is a lie that "real names" exist. Not calling it a "legal name" is shifty and two-faced, and grants false legitimacy to the surveillance state. How are they to ensure our legal name is real, if not to monitor us at all times to make sure we're always using it? Your enforcement would aid nobody except those who want to manipulate people through spying on them, who can easily do so if we're stopped from using the name (and identity) we want.

It's also disrespectful and hateful to use "a real names policy," because many people were forced to take a certain legal name by their terrible government and/or their terrible parents. If you yourself force people to use these "dead names" then you're somewhere between a bully and a supremist.

Other than that, knock yourself out if you want to use legal names! I think everyone should have one profile they use for public stuff, though I STILL think using the legal name is inadvisable, even if it's easy to connect to your profile.

in reply to Evan Prodromou

Mastodon already has a verification tool for your website. It would be cool if a mastodon instance could be set up to require the usage of an ID service as an option that the instance admin could choose and users could choose.

Who knows. It would be a fun project. 😀

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