I don't know how many of us there are who straight up refuse to use Discord regardless of who wants us to and for what purpose. My biggest issue is the mystery meat navigation from one space to another powered by hastily created amateur icons with only tooltips for the NAME of the space. And no option to fix it.
To me a FOSS project on Discord is closed-development model. I will never participate, and everyone who is participating is a black box to me that outputs new free releases.
My biggest issue is simply that developers are demanding that I trust my security and privacy to a closed-source opaque Silicon Valley vendor who has a history of violating both. I must give this untrustworthy vendor unspecified access to my device via app APIs, my contact information, an unspecified amount of personal data, and… I may even be required to scan my government ID and send it to this company, depending on local legal jurisdiction and how the server is configured.
These are the requirements set by Discord before a user is allowed to READ (not even contribute or comment) the release notes, changelog, FAQs, closed support tickets, issue db, and any and all discussion surrounding your nominally open-source project.
“Oh, but a discord account is free” doesn’t even begin to cover the cost and friction you are imposing on your users by demanding they participate in this platform.
Also companies please stop using Facebook for product support, I don't want to join Facebook just to get help with some product, and I find my self locked out of so much stuff because it's on Facebook #socialmedia
Seriously, why the F do even companies use Discord for support? There are just so many projects I can't in any way contact to inform them of bugs or etc for the sole simple reason they would require me to sign up for an enshittified network that steals my private info to sell without my permission and then jump through hoops to "join their server" (sometimes with specific requirements even to make a post.)
What the bleep happened to just having an e-mail account or one of those forms on a page? Why did everyone decide this was better? Heck, if you want constant live chat, why not use IRC? It has been around forever and has zero requirements. (You can even use a Javascript client on-page to connect to the right server and autojoin the right channel automatically.)
There's a notable privacy project that does all their dev discussion on Discord. I'm only interested in them because I won't go to Discord. It's pretty wild.
Not tagging them in because I did that and had a brief exchange with their Fedi account about it, which was highly unsatisfying and not worth repeating.
We should be using IRC, but matrix would be better for newer users. The sane solution is obviously to have an issue tracker or some forum but who here is sane?
Literally what advantage does Discord have over a good old Forum?
I have developed an appreciation for Forums because they are usually just hosted by the service provider, so there's no need to worry about corporations and making unnecessary accounts.
also: stop using commercial and corporate social media as your only presence on the internet.
Since all these social medias will and definitely block your accounts if your behaviour isn't following their "guidelines" (read: "stay in line or we'll ruin your digital life")
"... Why don't you all just sort each other out?" Is such an easy way to strip-mine your userbase for support in lieu of actually paying support people, though.
People keep doing the "when all you have is a hammer, you treat everything like a nail" thing, except that there are other tools, they just only want to use one.
@Veronica Explains I, for instance, cannot technically even use Discord without violating their ToS—I was banned a few years back without explanation. My appeal was rejected with even less explanation.
progo in NYC
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •I don't know how many of us there are who straight up refuse to use Discord regardless of who wants us to and for what purpose. My biggest issue is the mystery meat navigation from one space to another powered by hastily created amateur icons with only tooltips for the NAME of the space. And no option to fix it.
To me a FOSS project on Discord is closed-development model. I will never participate, and everyone who is participating is a black box to me that outputs new free releases.
Sir Ryan Bemrose
in reply to progo in NYC • • •My biggest issue is simply that developers are demanding that I trust my security and privacy to a closed-source opaque Silicon Valley vendor who has a history of violating both. I must give this untrustworthy vendor unspecified access to my device via app APIs, my contact information, an unspecified amount of personal data, and… I may even be required to scan my government ID and send it to this company, depending on local legal jurisdiction and how the server is configured.
These are the requirements set by Discord before a user is allowed to READ (not even contribute or comment) the release notes, changelog, FAQs, closed support tickets, issue db, and any and all discussion surrounding your nominally open-source project.
“Oh, but a discord account is free” doesn’t even begin to cover the cost and friction you are imposing on your users by demanding they participate in this platform.
progo in NYC
in reply to progo in NYC • • •William from MokeysHandicrafts
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Lodhal
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Nazo
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Seriously, why the F do even companies use Discord for support? There are just so many projects I can't in any way contact to inform them of bugs or etc for the sole simple reason they would require me to sign up for an enshittified network that steals my private info to sell without my permission and then jump through hoops to "join their server" (sometimes with specific requirements even to make a post.)
What the bleep happened to just having an e-mail account or one of those forms on a page? Why did everyone decide this was better? Heck, if you want constant live chat, why not use IRC? It has been around forever and has zero requirements. (You can even use a Javascript client on-page to connect to the right server and autojoin the right channel automatically.)
bit
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •ModernMaslow
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •JimmyChezPants 🇨🇦
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •There's a notable privacy project that does all their dev discussion on Discord. I'm only interested in them because I won't go to Discord. It's pretty wild.
Not tagging them in because I did that and had a brief exchange with their Fedi account about it, which was highly unsatisfying and not worth repeating.
But I feels ya.
find you on fediverse
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Mike Plemmons
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •AlexTECPlayz
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •+ stop suggesting {Discord, Matrix, Fluxer, Stoat, basically any chat app} as a wiki/docs for your project.
Wikis and docs are one thing, your chats and forums should be a separate thing.
aggregatesocial
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Jhooper
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Well then.... How about Reddit?
/S
Es Reicht!
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Viss
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Staraven1 (she/her)
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •tyzbit
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •"we're open source"
"ok cool, i have a problem"
"oh just search the discord, there's a fix there"
open source done on the dark web is not open source, it's published source and a big fuck you to users
SackOfBones (any/all)
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Cynethryth
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •GOD666
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Discord is awful for support.
1) You're lacking privacy as all your content is used to help generate AI learning.
2) Anything useful is lost and you end up exhausting the support staff with the same repeated questions and answers.
#Al #AiSlop #Discord
Lutin
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Stop
suggesting
Discord.
(was enough) ;)
antmag
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •DDR
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Please
Join
My
Slack
Then
VANTABlack
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Literally what advantage does Discord have over a good old Forum?
I have developed an appreciation for Forums because they are usually just hosted by the service provider, so there's no need to worry about corporations and making unnecessary accounts.
zen!th
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Transcedental
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •φ-52 "Skylark"
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Atortega
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Chris
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •VentingNonsense
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •nagaram
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Company I work for spent half a million dollars on specialized printers. Two of them....
And the company official does support via mod tickets in discord....
Froot
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Hastur the meek
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Raccoon
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Steven Berson
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •...
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •also: stop using commercial and corporate social media as your only presence on the internet.
Since all these social medias will and definitely block your accounts if your behaviour isn't following their "guidelines" (read: "stay in line or we'll ruin your digital life")
Orb 2069
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •z3r0
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •loebas
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Murdoc Addams 🧛🏻 🇨🇦
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •💯🙏
People keep doing the "when all you have is a hammer, you treat everything like a nail" thing, except that there are other tools, they just only want to use one.
"Miss Movie Masochist"
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Mr Funk E Dude 🏴☠️
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Jonathan Lamothe
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