Today I was reminded that old online chats offered context awareness for the people online: you knew you won't be a bother to a friend who has a smiley flower as a status; and you knew you might not be getting a quick reply from someone who's Away.
Today I don't even know if my friends are online or not. The messenger apps make the assumption that everyone is online, and if not, they will receive a push notification, and will reply to you as soon as possible. But this assumption is barely true. I bet it makes lives harder, especially for ND people
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Juan
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in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Andrés (personal views)
in reply to Juan • • •@reidrac Teams has something similar but I have been using it for two months and not sure what the Icons mean.
Find it interesting that Signal.org that AFAIK uses the same protocol as WhatsApp allows to schedule messages. Telegram could schedule as well. Outlook emails also offer you to delay post if person is away.
But WhatsApp does not have the delay feature. Maybe because it's business model is Mata data and this removes purity from the data?
Nina Kalinina
in reply to Andrés (personal views) • • •Kiran Castellino
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •crazyeddie
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •PulkoMandy
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •@reidrac xmpp has specifications for pretty much every feature found somewhere else (useful or not). But presence was so important that it is part of the protocol core, and even of its name! Whereas concehts like "group chats" are later extenions.
Some "modern" clie/ts don't really make the presence visible, however, or let you control it.
sb arms & legs
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •@reidrac
Thanks to this thread I've spent all afternoon setting up and playing with the #xmpp server, #prosody.
I got to set my status as AFK for the first time in 20+ years!
Thank you.
David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •@reidrac
I was involved with Jabber (before it was called XMPP) shortly after that decision was made, so when people still remembered why.
A big part of it was that Jabber wanted to support lossless bridging between different IM systems. Being able to run an ICQ, MSNM, AIM, and so on bridge on your Jabber server meant users could switch immediately and retain their existing contacts. If only a subset of Jabber features worked with those contacts, that gave them an incentive to switch (and a good migration path). If only a subset of other-system features worked, that made it much harder.
The ICQ protocol had this fixed set of states. One of the other messengers had status messages as free-form text. As a result, XMPP built in both. And, because it was XML, you could also put a load of other things in (e.g. the music that you’re listening to).
I wrote a little daemon (20ish years ago) that would record status messages and push them to a microblogging platform (back when Twitter was one among many and not a clear winner), so you could use a Jabber client to publish microblogging things in realtime to your contacts and more slowly to other people.
Nina Kalinina
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in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •I think it says a lot that at some point in the mobile phone era, the default became "available."
Nina Kalinina
in reply to distinctivestatic • • •distinctivestatic
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •I do like the idea of having different "levels" of access, though.
Nina Kalinina
in reply to distinctivestatic • • •Kat the Leopardess
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Nina Kalinina
in reply to Kat the Leopardess • • •leah & glitches & bits, oh my!
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in reply to leah & glitches & bits, oh my! • • •Nina Kalinina
in reply to Brian Swetland • • •h3mmy
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •I still sometimes have to send the nohello.net link
I've also just politely requested people to simply ask the question or provide info else I will assume the hello is the start of some message and just wait instead of responding.
This has had a decent success rate but if it fails I'll go with the link. Once people understand that if they want my attention they need to actually give me info, they start using async messaging as intended.
@swetland @millihertz
aceryz
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •when I flashed LineageOS, all push notifications that relied on google's proprietary code broke.
It was awesome.
Nina Kalinina
in reply to aceryz • • •Alan Langford 🇨🇦🧤🧊摏
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in reply to Alan Langford 🇨🇦🧤🧊摏 • • •Charles Fulton
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •[BUG] Lunya :3
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in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Sensitive content
Anton Klinger
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They are not the same! A message can be one or the other, or both or neither.
In discord "@silent" is my friend, I use it all the time but it feels like an afterthought.
Nina Kalinina
in reply to Anton Klinger • • •Sensitive content
@accidentlyAnton being able to send silent messages in Slack would be nice too...
Wait, it also supposedly works with this @silent prefix?!
Mendie
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Bobo_PK 🦄
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Nina Kalinina
in reply to Bobo_PK 🦄 • • •non-pathological explanation of variations in mental functions
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in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •steeph 🎆 ٩(˘◡˘)۶
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in reply to Blackthorn • • •allo
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Free for chat connected you with people using the "random chat" function. It was fun, when suddenly someone from the other end of the world messaged you because you're free for chat.
@Blackthorn
Nina Kalinina
in reply to allo • • •Blackthorn
in reply to allo • • •Ohhh I didn't know there was a random chat thingy! Too bad I'm 25 years too late to try it out. Oh well...
Nina Kalinina
in reply to Blackthorn • • •Gamedev Mastodon
Mastodon hosted on mastodon.gamedev.placedjsumdog
in reply to allo • • •I never had an ICQ number. I just used AIM/Yahoo/MSN via Pidgin and Adium. That's an interesting feature.
I was one of the last holdouts on AIM, still messaging the one or two people on there in the last year it was alive. I do miss that era for sure. I still have some ancient AIM logs stored somewhere.
Nina Kalinina
in reply to djsumdog • • •@djsumdog @allo @Blackthorn there is a moden server for AIM/MSN/ICQ: nina.chat/
I'm thinking of maybe joining, but then maybe I'm better off joining XMPP.
NINA
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in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Cyril M.
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in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •André Claaßen
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Richard Rathe
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •I totally agree. The "Focus" settings on an iPhone sort of work this way, but not like old AIM... I could reliably hold "office hours" and block messages completely when I was away.
The assumption the user is "always on" is a bad one.
F4GRX Sébastien
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Santhor
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in reply to Santhor • • •Santhor
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Nina Kalinina
in reply to Santhor • • •@santhor when I was online from the phone, it was showing everyone that I'm "online (mobile)" or "away (mobile)", hinting that my replies could be shorter than if I was using a computer.
I think people don't use it because there is an assumption that everyone is always, permanently, terminally, online. If we foster the habit of "getting online is an action", people will be using it!
Santhor
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in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Joe Cooper 🇺🇦 🍉
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •my phone is permanently on DnD, because there is no way to stop every fucking app from pinging at me all the time. Every time they update, they add a new category of notification so they can demand my attention. While there are types of notifications I might like to have, it's too much effort to selectively enforce "leave me the hell alone", so nobody gets to ping at me. Such toxic design.
I used to love gadgets and getting new ones, but now it's days/weeks to make it tolerable.
Nina Kalinina
in reply to Joe Cooper 🇺🇦 🍉 • • •@swelljoe I used to simply turn the data off on my phone, but then I started working for Facebook, and the coworkers quickly explained to me that DnD is the only way to survive. I kept turning off the data anyway 😁
As for the gadgets: Palm OS 5 devices are as neat as they used to be when they just came out. I also am having lots of fun with my Nintendo DSi and Gameboy Micro!
Lazarou Monkey Terror 🚀💙🌈
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •ejim
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in reply to ejim • • •Wandrecanada
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Nick Silkey 🪓🪵 🪣💧
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •👋 sharing one thought - next text, ask the friends to disable their push notifications.
sounds wild. hear me out. 👀
this enables you to free your mind from learned behaviors designed to disrupt whatever you might be doing in real life in favor of what some other human or even algorithm decided. yes, even if it is your bestie wanting to share a cute cat video - especially if it's a designed-to-deflate news headline. nope! 🙅♀️
opt into your phone existing in your life via your personal, inalienable free will. this seems like the strongest, way to take active control of reframing one's relationship with one's devices at present. 💃
**not trying to show up as a reply guy - just offering what seems to be working well fired me and sharing if others find use in it. ✌️💙
Nina Kalinina
in reply to Nick Silkey 🪓🪵 🪣💧 • • •Val Packett 🧉
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •the only problem was that it's really hard to consistently/reliably keep that status updated..
Discord has it too. Typically people use custom status just for memes and not as actual status, and other ones are just set permanently and forgotten about, haha. But the automatic online/offline is sorta helpful occasionally (though way too often someone's "online" just because of leaving a PC running in the background haha)
Nina Kalinina
in reply to Val Packett 🧉 • • •@valpackett yeah, my Discord is permanently "away". But my ICQ used to switch between "Away" and "Online" depending on my usage of the app - it'd switch to Away when I was coding, but would switch back to Online when I opened the app. Discord allows me to set "Away for 1/2/4/8 hours" but won't show my actual status based on my actual activity. :<
If we don't count "Nina plays gdb" and "Atsuko plays KiCad", of course.
Leroy
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •luckily I can set do not disturb on a timer on my phone.
iMessage folks receive a banner if they text me. Others don’t get that context.
Otherwise I generally limit notifications from apps and never have work apps on my phone
TobiWanKenobi
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Nina Kalinina
in reply to TobiWanKenobi • • •TobiWanKenobi
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Then again, those were IMs from another era. Nowadays most messenger apps are catered towards reading your data, spamming you with ads, and being obnoxious.
Nina Kalinina
in reply to TobiWanKenobi • • •Sarathai
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •It's like 90sNerdTurrets. I see that image and my mouth is going like: 233810060
Does it still exist?
Nina Kalinina
in reply to Sarathai • • •NINA
nina.chatSarathai
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Nina Kalinina
in reply to Sarathai • • •Sarathai
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Kidding aside, thanks for reminding me of that time. And I completly agree with you. We, I suppose, are the small portion of a generation who grew up with the internet, used it properly, and transitioned into what we have now. We sometimes forget how it was in the beginning.
Better
Sarathai
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Cursed Silicon
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •I've said for many years (and will continue to die on that hill)
Chat services peaked at MSN Messenger 6.2!
Specifically 6.2 though. Everything after that in MSN Messenger was downhill
7.0 added "Winks" who the fuck liked using those?
7.5 added Nudge. And then people learned that nudging was controlled by the *sender* so you could spam it endlessly with a simple patch. A great way to end up slapped upside the head
8.0 onward had the "Windows Live Mesenger" gross UI rework
Dragon
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Haelwenn /элвэн/
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Huh, makes me wonder if I have any where it's not a thing.
Like IRC I feel like culturally it's idle/away unless active, XMPP does presence, Slack Web puts you offline constantly, …
Nina Kalinina
in reply to Haelwenn /элвэн/ • • •Unconverged Gradient 🧐🇵🇹
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Nina Kalinina
in reply to Unconverged Gradient 🧐🇵🇹 • • •Unconverged Gradient 🧐🇵🇹
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Jacob Hall
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •when I was just starting to use the internet as a kid, it was gchat. So many good conversations happened in the panel on the left of Gmail, and the status icons made it all possible. I know that descended from a long line of other online chat systems. I was really sad when gchat was phased out, and my friends and I had to develop new communication habits together.
You make a good point about the assumption that everyone is online. The closest thing I have to statuses these days is in Slack, but those feel less trustworthy in terms of auto-updating, and since push notifications are sent anyways they don't serve much of a purpose.
Nina Kalinina
in reply to Jacob Hall • • •@jacob yep! Yep.... Yes T_T
By the by, I got the inspiration from reading blog.danpetrolito.xyz/i-built-… about a tool that would show "presence" in Discord. And then I found one of many papers from the olden days that actually did some research on the topic of "online presence" oppl.info/publication/oppl-200…
I built something that changed my friend group's social fabric
Dan PetrolitoJernej Simončič �
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Nina Kalinina
in reply to Jernej Simončič � • • •Urzl
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •I'm still confused by the number of people who are apologetic for not immediately answering. I keep reassuring them, I'm totally comfortable with async communication.
I leave a message, you get it when you can and unless I'm calling, texting and otherwise throwing up signal flares, that's all fine.
Meznor 🇨🇦🇮🇹🇪🇺
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •masyukun
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in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Al & Val's Modern Homesteading
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in reply to Al & Val's Modern Homesteading • • •Al & Val's Modern Homesteading
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in reply to flxzt • • •Fish Id Wardrobe
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •i notice that both Discord and Teams make a halfhearted attempt to follow this protocol.
I have Discord on my phone, so really I'm only 'away' when I'm asleep.
Nina Kalinina
in reply to Fish Id Wardrobe • • •Fish Id Wardrobe
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in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •yes! 100 times this!
Just to be able to wake up in the middle of the night with insomnia and take a look to see who else is kicking around was priceless. Asynchronous conversation just doesn't cut it.
DarkRat
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •DJ🌞
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Kooda
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •I miss that stuff so so much… Been thinking about it for a while now. (and yes, i’m ND)
And as a general thing, I hate the untold assumption that everyone would always be online nowadays
donthatedontkill
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •🇵🇸 Amanda
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •mausmalone
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Nina Kalinina
in reply to mausmalone • • •@mausmalone indeed. I personally decided not to install work Slack on my personal phone; it is inconvenient at times, but at least I know there's no sudden "hey, a quick question if you're still around" at 10 PM.
Sadly, not everyone can afford this...
mausmalone
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Nazo
in reply to mausmalone • • •Nina Kalinina
in reply to Nazo • • •Nazo
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •@mausmalone I assumed something to that effect, but I wonder if there isn't something like that you could say.
I doubt they'd think it through very well, lol.
mausmalone
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •well ... yes and no. It depends on how you set it up. I'm currently on 5 Slack workspaces and only 4 of them are actually work. One is a shop-talk group for higher-ed WordPress users and on THAT workspace they allow vendors.
Anyhow, sure I could go "Away" on that workspace, but not on the other 4.
Ruth / Anarchae
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Nazo
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Jayne
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Machine Lord Zero
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •I'm feeling pretty violent about it!
Nina Kalinina
in reply to Machine Lord Zero • • •Machine Lord Zero
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Nina Kalinina
in reply to Machine Lord Zero • • •Machine Lord Zero
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •I don't even use it directly, using the Iron browser instead.
Machine Lord Zero
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Mateusz Urbanowicz
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •argv minus one
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Back then, I rarely saw most of those. Most people were only ever available, away, or offline.
I imagine that's because all of those were set automatically by the computer. A person would be listed as “offline” if the computer was turned off or modem disconnected, “away” if the computer was idle, or “available” if the computer was actively being used.
argv minus one
in reply to argv minus one • • •Nina Kalinina
in reply to argv minus one • • •Wiredfire
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •turning off read receipts is essential for any messaging app that offers it. People don't see when I "read" their message and I don't see when they read mine.
I do miss the context statuses of ICQ, MSN Messenger and the like though. Wouldn't object to seeing something like that come back somewhere
Si Dawson
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Yeah! ICQ. Now THAT was a cool chat app.
(4229782, I'm prettttty sure - although I haven't used it in a decade)
oh wait. did some digging. I was right! Ha ha, hilarious. Uselses information ftw!
but yeah - those notifiers, SO helpful. Holy heck yes.
CT
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Interesting. I would usually think “if everyone is on, NO ONE is on” and that, similar to texting or email, the un-statused blindness would lead to the assumption of “if they’re there and they want to, they’ll answer, but I don’t have to expect anything.”
On ICQ I was usually perma-offline anyway. Don’t think I saw anyone really lean into the myriad of statuses; would usually think that kind of “choice fidelity” would lead to its own stress.
Nina Kalinina
in reply to CT • • •@cthellis I think both "they will get a notification and reply" and "idk maybe they're not online right now and I want to have a focused chat so maybe I won't message first" could happen at the current model.
Lots of people in the comments mentioned that they didn't really use any statuses beyond Online and Away, and I think it is fine too!
CM30
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •John 🎵
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Interestingly business-grade chat apps still have this (3CX phone systems, Microsoft Teams).
It's just consumer-facing products that have removed it for some reason..
Ivan Sagalaev
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in reply to Gorgeous na Shock! • • •Harmony
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •you are so right about this. The expectation of constant availability is very unhealthy and I think we are all familiar with the negative effects.
Even on sites/apps where you're still able to set a status, people don't respect it.
On top of that, I passionately despise read receipts. I feel like the only effects of that are unnecessary anxiety, drama, possessiveness and control (they only make sense for important work/school e-mails imo)
Baral'heia Stormdancer ΘΔ🐲
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Dusty
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •I've been using #XMPP for the last year or so, wondering if the halcyon ICQ days of yore are still to be had.
After testing it with several friends connecting to my own self-hosted #Prosody server, here's what I found:
- Yes it all works, on all XMPP clients. But MacOS/iPadOS/iOS clients are not all that mature at this time. The #Linux (#Gajim, despite no video or audio calls) and #Android (#Conversations) XMPP clients are the best, IMHO. Always favor those, I say, and they are confidently installable and reliable today.
- Yes, use OMEMO encryption on personal chats. But when it comes to group chats, OMEMO is not necessarily the right move.
- If you don't need privacy in an XMPP group, then don't create a private group, but rather a _public_ group (the safer choice for reliability of message delivery). No OMEMO is possible in a public group, and the messages propagating around will be reliable, even to clients who vanish and re-appear after prolonged absences.
- If you really need OMEMO encryption in a group chat, create a _private_ group, not a public group. **Clients who vanish from the group for prolonged periods may miss out on some of the messages when they return (say, a few weeks later)**.
- I kept a wiki with several more quirks noted, which came up, and felt confusing and frustrating to my (non-geek) friends using XMPP.
As to your Apple-ecosystem-confined friends, at this moment in time, maybe talk to them 1:1 in #Fluffychat/Matrix, which affords encryption, and is all #OpenSource, like everything above. (Groups in #Matrix have a track record of failing for everybody in them very badly every 2 or 3 years or so.)
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Jupiter
in reply to Dusty • • •@d1
Can I suggest Delta Chat to you both?
Decentralised, can self-host if preferred, no KYC, no phone numbers, anonymous, group chats, multi platform, multi OS, synchronised accounts across devices/platforms/OS's.
Even works on TAILS OS.
I'm using it on an iPhone XS iOS 18.5, a 2015 MacBook Pro running Linux Mint and a Samsung S9 running Lineage OS, fully synchronised.
Great UI, awesome UX.
Well worth a look at least...
delta.chat/en/
Delta Chat: Delta Chat, decentralized secure messenger
delta.chatDusty
in reply to Jupiter • • •Jupiter
in reply to Dusty • • •@d1
Always improving, and very receptive to suggestions for improvements.
I use multiple Profiles a lot for non family chats. That way you can just delete the profile when a group or contact reaches end-of-use status.
You can always rejoin.
Dusty
in reply to Jupiter • • •@avoca #Deltachat feels Alpha quality to me, *once you stray off the path of plain old 1:1 encrypted text messages, with possible file attachments, including voice memos* - which Deltachat is brilliant at (uniform clients on all supported platforms is greatly appreciated).
The #XMPP world is more "Beta-quality" feeling to me - is the lesser of evils for those geeky types who can manage its quirky landscape, and still feel like they're having fun.
*The devil is in the details* for all these ecosystems: XMPP, #Matrix, and Deltachat.
If you want something to "just work", I say use #Signal and refrain from complaining about its centralized nature. At least something "just works" today in this domain (end-to-end encrypted instant messaging, which is also reasonably private), which is reliable and trustworthy *for now*.
Matthias
in reply to Dusty • • •Thomas Guyot-Sionnest
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •s/old/great/
Part of me died with my UIN.
Sheri Gulam
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •i miss this.
I also miss local chat logs and local antispam.
HoldMyType
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in reply to Admiral Memo • • •@AdmiralMemo sounds like a fair evaluation of "when", but I still don't think that this is necessarily "why". Lots of people in my circle used ICQ on mobile and leveraged the status system.
Curiously, every now and then Facebook tries to bring the status back in Messenger, but I'm not sure it worked out
Vikki
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Fernando M. S. 🇵🇸
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Nina Kalinina
in reply to Fernando M. S. 🇵🇸 • • •wink
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Nina Kalinina
in reply to wink • • •@wink that is true, but also consider: it means people weren't always online, there wasn't an expectation that someone would reply immediately if they're offline; but you could somewhat expect a reply if someone actually was online.
Imagine being able to login to WhatsApp once a day to check messages and chat with friends, rather than getting push notifications 200 times a day
wink
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Also as someone who has most notifications off and manually checks when he feels like it, it simply is not a problem for me, with the tradeoff of responding hours late :/
teacher_rick 🇪🇺
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •saxnot
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Too niche a content
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •@storm hooray, finally someone other than me complaining about this.
I feel less alone in this presenceless future.
Dilman Dila
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •vladcampos
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •I remember that. Also remember being blown away by ICQ. That was such an innovation for the time.
In a way, the same status indicator exists today, at least on the receiver side, but it's hidden in complex layers upon layers of phone settings 😞
Nina Kalinina
in reply to vladcampos • • •David JONES
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Nina Kalinina
in reply to David JONES • • •Cambionn
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •To be fair, I like not knowing when people are online and not, and people not knowing that of me. I also always turn off the typing and online messages when possible. I feel seeing those statusen causes anxiousness. "he read it/is online, why doesn't he reply". "he's typing, why does it take so long".
Cambionn
in reply to Cambionn • • •2/2
I would argue, people assume others reply asap, not the app. And that's those people's fault.
The thing I love about chats is that people can reach me when they have time, and I can reply when I have time for it in my own pace. Think about that thing you keep forgetting to ask me at midnight? Sure send a message. My phone is on DND-mode and I'll read it and reply after I wake up and have time, no rushing. (I don't do this to others unless I know they feel like this too).
Nina Kalinina
in reply to Cambionn • • •xrvs
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Nina Kalinina
in reply to xrvs • • •Jasper 🍉
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Nina Kalinina
in reply to Jasper 🍉 • • •Schmaker
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Nina Kalinina
in reply to Schmaker • • •Schmaker
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •@Nina Kalinina
That depends on definition of being pushed.
If there is no threat, then it's not a push, but a decision (imho)
Nina Kalinina
in reply to Schmaker • • •Jakub Iwanowski
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Nina Kalinina
in reply to Jakub Iwanowski • • •MutoKenji
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Indeed things have changed. The assumption "always online and available " is bad indeed.
Antti
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •nichtsicher
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Qybat
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Nina Kalinina
in reply to Qybat • • •Un Bourguignon
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •I do recognize the ICQ iconset ⬆️
👴🏼
Beldarak
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •I must admit I actually really like the async way modern chats use.
I can have a conversation with my friends over multiple days, no need to check if they're available or not, they'll reply when they have time. No pressure.
Jonathan Lamothe
in reply to Beldarak • •Beldarak
in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •@me
On a very surface level, yes, but not really, no. I can't send you a burst of messages with 10 seconds between each one without it being super annoying to you by email.
Also not made for rapid exchanges , like if you reply to my message while I'm writing one, I won't be able to read it without reloading the page or something
Also not sure you can jump in a call seemlessly from an email exchange, it's just not made for realtime communication
Beldarak
in reply to Beldarak • • •Nina Kalinina
in reply to Beldarak • • •Beldarak
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Lily Ingersoll / Briar
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •Debacle
in reply to Nina Kalinina • • •I'm a little bit sad, that #Gajim by @gajim removed #XEP-0108: #UserActivity
xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0108.h…
I used it to signal my colleagues when I'm at lunch break etc.
@d1
User Activity
Peter Saint-Andreerebion
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