#Paypal has a maximum password length of 20 characters.
That is a staggering amount of stupid. I mean, fine, diminishing returns, but does anyone at that gigacorp understand what a HASH is?
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#Paypal has a maximum password length of 20 characters.
That is a staggering amount of stupid. I mean, fine, diminishing returns, but does anyone at that gigacorp understand what a HASH is?
kabel42
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in reply to kabel42 • • •Tim Chase
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in reply to Tim Chase • • •Paul Wilde
in reply to R.L. Dane 🍵 • • •I've also had a "Tech Company" say I can't use a carat symbol in my password
IT SIMPLY SHOULD NOT MATTER!!!!
R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to Paul Wilde • • •Scott Francis
in reply to Paul Wilde • • •R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to Scott Francis • • •Paul Wilde
in reply to Scott Francis • • •haha! Yes, absolutely.
"Somebody isn't validating and sanitizing their inputs, are they? tut tut"
R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to Paul Wilde • • •Bobby Tables, all growed up! I didn't recognize you!! XD
cc: @amin
Paul Wilde
in reply to R.L. Dane 🍵 • • •If I'm in a meeting, and for whatever reason I need a random name of somebody to make an example... it's either Bobby Tables or Elaine Roberts. Every time.
R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to Paul Wilde • • •Nice! I don't get the Elaine Roberts reference, though.
Holy crap, the Bobby Tables comic is 18 years old! That means Bobby Tables would be 23!!
Paul Wilde
in reply to R.L. Dane 🍵 • • •"Help I'm trapped in a driver's license factory Elaine Roberts" is Bobby Tables' sister
Just one of those easter eggs I like to throw into a meeting to see what level of #NerdCool the people around me are
Nobody has got either reference yet, but I'm still trying!
R.L. Dane 🍵
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in reply to Paul Wilde • • •Amin Hollon, B.A.
in reply to Paul Wilde • • •Open Source
xkcdR.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to Amin Hollon, B.A. • • •kabel42
in reply to Amin Hollon, B.A. • • •R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to kabel42 • • •Scott Francis
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in reply to Scott Francis • • •Scott Francis
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in reply to Scott Francis • • •Amin Hollon, B.A.
in reply to Scott Francis • • •R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to Amin Hollon, B.A. • • •Amin Hollon, B.A.
in reply to R.L. Dane 🍵 • • •All Your Base
xkcdR.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to Amin Hollon, B.A. • • •Amin Hollon, B.A.
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in reply to Amin Hollon, B.A. • • •sotolf
in reply to R.L. Dane 🍵 • • •R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to sotolf • • •Move 'ZIG.'
BTW, what do you think of the Zig programming language?
Scott Francis
in reply to sotolf • • •- YouTube
www.youtube.comR.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to Scott Francis • • •That game is a trip. Never seen the actual gameplay (or high quality footage of the intro) before.
youtube.com/watch?v=XKkd_MZ1rE…
- YouTube
www.youtube.comkabel42
in reply to R.L. Dane 🍵 • • •Scott Francis
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in reply to Scott Francis • • •Scott Francis
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in reply to Scott Francis • • •I remember doing everything on a 9" screen at home, and thinking that 13" was big ;)
I also remember going from a Blackberry with 320x240 screen to an iPod Touch 3rd gen (320x480), and thinking it was SOOOO high-res. 😁
And of course, the 640x960 of my iPhone 4 was just mythically high-res. Unbelievable stuff.
I also remember the very first time I saw something at 720p (a freebie download of a Heroes episode on iTunes), and realizing that I could see the actor's PORES. Freaky. XD
Scott Francis
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in reply to Scott Francis • • •sotolf
in reply to R.L. Dane 🍵 • • •pixx
in reply to sotolf • • •Depends on screen size, for me ;P
720p on phone: sure
On Steam Deck: yeah, probably
On 48" monitor: hahahahaha nope.
PPI and viewing distance matters more than resolution IMO
R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to pixx • • •It's all about pixels per arcsecond to the eye.
And even then, the amount of mental focus you're giving to the image has a huge impact.
And even then, the bitrate is more important than the actual resolution.
Viewing at 1080p video saved at the same bitrate as a 4k video? Telling those two apart would be a challenge, unless they were very still/calm videos.
kabel42
in reply to pixx • • •R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to kabel42 • • •I still think 1024x768 is
THE_TRUE_RESOLUTION.Pity the only monitors you can buy at that resolution are <10".
sotolf
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in reply to Scott Francis • • •Scott Francis
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in reply to Scott Francis • • •Amin Hollon, B.A.
in reply to Scott Francis • • •R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to Amin Hollon, B.A. • • •I think I've told you before, but the classic (almost all-in-one) Macs were practically considered portables. Apple even sold a very nice padded canvas backpack for them with room for the keyboard and mouse.
Apple's first true portable (first computer that actually ran off a battery (for a few minutes, anyway XD )) was nearly as heavy: 16 lbs vs 16.5 lbs (probably doesn't include the weight of the keyboard, mouse, and power cable, but that's not that much).
P.S. Huh, Wikipedia states that the original Macintosh portable had a ten hour battery life! It was a 30 Wh battery, so perhaps the usage of SRAM and no backlight meant that it really did last that long. I had no idea!
portable computer by Apple
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)kabel42
in reply to Amin Hollon, B.A. • • •R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to kabel42 • • •kabel42
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in reply to kabel42 • • •Amin Hollon, B.A.
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in reply to Amin Hollon, B.A. • • •Paul Wilde
in reply to R.L. Dane 🍵 • • •I was too busy playing Dizzy on an Amstrad cpc464 to have time for cool LAN parties.
I'm trying to get a bunch of friends together to play Space Nerds in Space as a LAN party, but they've all got "jobs" and "children" and "no time". Boring.
R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to Paul Wilde • • •Amin Hollon, B.A.
in reply to kabel42 • • •kabel42
in reply to Amin Hollon, B.A. • • •Amin Hollon, B.A.
in reply to kabel42 • • •Fine by me.
I bought one of those but it stopped powering on after a boot or two… and it didn't include the charging cord it was supposed to and I couldn't get it to charge with any of mine. So I returned it.
Would've been a really cool device but in retrospect I don't have a ton of practical use for a handheld.
kabel42
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in reply to kabel42 • • •sotolf
in reply to Amin Hollon, B.A. • • •R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to sotolf • • •You might try getting a charge-only/no-data cable. It'll force whatever you plug it into to deliver the base USB charging rate (1 amp? Half an amp? I forget)
I use it with my phone to force it to charge in the slowest mode, so that it charges the lipo more gently, hopefully preserving its useful lifespan.
sotolf
in reply to R.L. Dane 🍵 • • •The funny thing is that the data-cable is the one that works, the phone fast-charge cable, and the switch one doesn't work for the miyoo, but the datacable, which is a nobrand cheapo one works great.
I think there is some kind of hardware in the others to deliver more electricity faster or something.
R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to sotolf • • •USB Power Delivery is a funny thing.
Your device might support a ton of power delivery rates, and your charger might support a ton, but if they don't support any of the same ones, it won't charge. It's kind of like cell phone bands, you can buy a phone that supports a ton of bands, but just not any of the ones in your country, and it's basically a brick. ;)
sotolf
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in reply to sotolf • • •kabel42
in reply to sotolf • • •@mirabilos probably knows more 😀
sotolf
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in reply to kabel42 • • •R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to sotolf • • •Depends on where you get your phone. If you buy your phone from your cellular provider (usually a very bad idea, unless it's an iPhone, maybe), it's probably locked into that carrier and you have to ask them to unlock it. That might have changed in the past few years, I don't know. I haven't bought a phone from a cellular carrier in over a decade.
In the US in the 2000s, different carriers used completely different technologies: GSM vs TDMA vs CDMA. Thankfully that stupidity is gone, and everyone is on the same basic 5G tech, but 5G covers a lot of different bands, and the carriers love to get exclusive licensing of various bands where they can, so it can vary a lot.
But generally if you buy a phone directly from the manufacturer (a phone marketed for use in the USA, that is), it'll work fine on any of the major carriers.
kabel42
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in reply to kabel42 • • •R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to sotolf • • •GSM is an umbrella term, I think 5G is technically a GSM spec or GSM child-spec, but don't quote me on that.
3G is more of a capability/speed spec, there were "3G" phones and carriers using wildly different and incompatible technologies.
4G I think only had two competing technologies: LTE and WIMAX. I think WIMAX died out, kinda like HDDVD or Betamax XD
I think 5G is more of a specific technology spec, to my knowledge there's only one underlying 5G technology, but there are still many different bands, because carriers have been scrambling to find unused spectra to tap to gain bandwidth, and since each country or region has its own licensing body, it's going to be a little different from region to region.
mirabilos
in reply to R.L. Dane 🍵 • • •you think wrong, GSM is one specific tech (“2G”, with the addons (basically channel-bundling) GPRS and EDGE)
R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to mirabilos • • •sotolf
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in reply to sotolf • • •Yeah, that makes sense.
Man, I remember GPRS, EDGE, an UMTS. XD
HSDPA and HSPA+, too.
mirabilos
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in reply to mirabilos • • •kabel42
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in reply to kabel42 • • •mirabilos
in reply to sotolf • • •R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to mirabilos • • •lol how the heck are we discussing mobile telephony bands on a thread originally about Paypal password length limits?!?!?
#HELLTHREAD
sotolf
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in reply to sotolf • • •kabel42
in reply to R.L. Dane 🍵 • • •mirabilos
in reply to kabel42 • • •sotolf
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in reply to sotolf • • •R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to mirabilos • • •Ok, DANG:
#hellthread #hellthreads #hellthreadia #polymaths #ragchew
🤣
Scott Francis
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in reply to Scott Francis • • •Somewhat slantways, that reminds me of the time years ago when a friend on fb asked for a recommendation for a gimbal for his phone/camera.
I posted a photo of a static fire test of the Space Shuttle Main Engine and commented, "She's only got 15 degrees of freedom, but she can handle a hell of a lot of force!" XD
sotolf
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in reply to sotolf • • •mirabilos
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in reply to mirabilos • • •Gorgeous bit of kit!
There were CLONE SPARCStations?!? I had no idea!
What are the circular things in front?
sotolf
in reply to sotolf • • •R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to sotolf • • •Oh man, I remember the very first time a friend of mine sitting next to me at the computer lab sneakily reached around behind my 13" monitor and hit the degauss button. I was totally hyperfocusing (probably reading a Usenet flamewar at the time XD ), and nearly jumped out of my skin when the picture contorted and turned every which color.
I miss that weird effect. I had completely forgotten that was a thing!!!
kabel42
in reply to R.L. Dane 🍵 • • •R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to kabel42 • • •I'm not sure if my CRT had one or not, now that you mention it. I think it just degaussed when you turned it on.
The 90s Apple 13" Trinitrons had a rectangular button in the back that would trigger it.
sotolf
in reply to Scott Francis • • •R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to sotolf • • •I don't mean to be snarky, but are you sure your eyes are ok? ;)
I think I'm probably more exacting because my eyes are a little weak, and a little bit of blurriness becomes very annoying to me.
But of course, it depends a lot on the size of screen I'm viewing on, my distance to it, and how much I'm actually paying attention to it. Of course, if I'm on mobile data, that changes things too.
sotolf
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in reply to sotolf • • •xrvs
in reply to sotolf • • •sotolf
in reply to xrvs • • •xrvs
in reply to sotolf • • •> stuff being a bit less blurry
that’s the difference 😀
xrvs
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in reply to xrvs • • •R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to xrvs • • •I still don't have any devices > 1080p, except for just my TV.
I recorded my very first 4k video in 2017, but it was a series of photos taken on my dSLR and assembled in software. The first time I watched that video in actual 4k was when I got my first 4k tv in 2022. XD
My first phone capable of recording in 4k was maybe in 2018, but properly in 2021. I still haven't viewed most of those videos on a 4k-capable screen.
The thing is, even 1080p gets stuttery when I do some transitions. 4k sounds like a lot of extra load for my computer, even my fairly fast 2022 work laptop.
mirabilos
in reply to sotolf • • •R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to mirabilos • • •The first generation video codecs (before RealMedia) were actually comprehensible. You can read the spec on wikipedia, they were stupid simple.
Of course, they were super lossy, and didn't compress very well, but it was an interesting time.
160x120 was the golden standard until the mid-90s, when computers got fast enough to handle 320x240.
320x240 was the standard for internet video from about 2002 until maybe 2008? Felt like longer at the time, kind of like the reign of Windows XP felt like two decades, rather than six years. XD
Amin Hollon, B.A.
in reply to kabel42 • • •Scott Francis
in reply to Amin Hollon, B.A. • • •R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to Scott Francis • • •Aw don't be too hard on rms — at least for that.
"Free Software" and "Open Source" are a venn diagram with a lot in the middle, but there's a lot on both sides as well.
I use the term #FOSS very liberally, but I'm very much aware that OSS was a pandering of Free Software values towards corporate interests and...
* gestures broadly to whatever the heck the Linux Foundation is supposed to be
Sam D
in reply to R.L. Dane 🍵 • • •R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to Sam D • • •I mean, yeah, that's fine. As long as you're being hard on him for valid reasons.
Here's a quick legend:
King_DuckZ
in reply to R.L. Dane 🍵 • • •R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to King_DuckZ • • •He literally had a page on his site that said that as long as it was volitional, there's nothing wrong with adults having sex with children, come on dude.
I don't actually like the anti-rms firestorm that popped up when his comments about Minsky came to light, but the dude was on the wrong side of that "argument" for quite some time.
King_DuckZ
in reply to R.L. Dane 🍵 • • •R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to King_DuckZ • • •He did recant his opinions on sex with minors. I still find the whole thing exceedingly distasteful, and to be honest, him to be a rather distasteful individual, but I do believe in keeping the facts straight in that matter and not blowing things out of proportion.
I still find the fact that he was trying to defend Minsky (in his 70s) having sex with a teenager to be disgusting, and sadly on-brand for him.
King_DuckZ
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in reply to King_DuckZ • • •Yeah, I have serious doubts about his character. :/
Let's also not forget the history he had in the past with trying to manipulate women into dating him, and he had a freaking bed in his office.
Thankful for the Free Software movement, but rms is creepy.
Sam D
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in reply to Sam D • • •King_DuckZ
in reply to King_DuckZ • • •R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to King_DuckZ • • •I believe the quote was closer to "he had no reason to believe she wasn't entirely willing."
And yes, that quote got stretched and twisted like taffy, but the whole thing is still really creepy to me.
Amin Hollon, B.A.
in reply to R.L. Dane 🍵 • • •mirabilos
in reply to Amin Hollon, B.A. • • •R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to mirabilos • • •Sam D
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in reply to Sam D • • •ls -landinvidious.mirabilos
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in reply to mirabilos • • •xrvs
in reply to Paul Wilde • • •i’ve seen one that doesn’t allow space lol.
the one i’m working for had a similar bug because they wanted ensuring “strong” password and ended up restricting it unnecessarily
R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to xrvs • • •The silly thing is that PAM and other security systems allow for treating shorter but more complex passwords the same as longer but simpler passwords.
As I recall (I set this up like 23 years ago, so I'm going from memory), you set a minimum length, but then you can set certain characters to count more towards that length. So a password like
h&eF2#$bP4!might be long enough, but a password likeborofjekbfehvosijelspmight not.Xavi
in reply to R.L. Dane 🍵 • • •Relevant XKCD:
xkcd.com/327/
Exploits of a Mom
xkcdR.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to Xavi • • •OpenComputeDesign
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in reply to OpenComputeDesign • • •Pete Orrall
in reply to R.L. Dane 🍵 • • •My passwords are routinely 24+ characters and have been for the past 3 years. My employer has some serious security requirements and since then I've been just using similar lengths on my personal accounts. FWIW I work for a financial institution.
I roll my eyes at services whose password requirements have maximum limits.
R.L. Dane 🍵
in reply to Pete Orrall • • •Jonathan Lamothe
in reply to R.L. Dane 🍵 • •@R.L. Dane 🍵 I had a bank that had an eight character maximum. What's worse was that they didn't tell you about the limit; they'd just silently truncate.
Also, it was case insensitive.
R.L. Dane 🍵
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