Yeah idk either. But domain control is a pretty critical component you might want to keep local.

I think there could be lots of similar infrastructure services to consider. If someone's got an app deployed on EC2, you want them to be able to pop it over to a local alternative.

In the end, it probably means a local software engineering org. Of course you'd start small & do it piece by piece, building up your local consortium along the way.

@Darth Hideout 🏳️‍🌈 a webdev, a small ISP, and a sysadmin is probably MVP for this kind of thing. But yeah, could you support two employees on the local businesses of my town of about half a million people? I dunno, maybe?

domains would probably be owned by businesses, but easy to host a small registrar/dns. Email would be owned by businesses, but easy to host. Web would be trivial to host. Ordering stuff would mean payments, which is an actual complicated task, but far from impossible. Owning DNS and the CAs has large scale needs.

Running a TLD is likely the best start, CAs are acrually seperate (maybe bcause that came later on) but a decent DNS setup can go a long way, a lot of email configuration is in TXT record (DMARC/DKIM) and these systems were deaigned to scale with a sense of locale, even if they handoff to a larger network.

<yourdomain>.<yourtown>

Payments are not as hard as you think, until the IRS tells you it's illegal 😀 If its a micro-currency for local businesses that can happen in the form of coupons that are only redeemable at local stores.

I'm building a bit of a swiss-army-knife style networking runtime that will eventually do this called Caneka, it's a long road until it's ready, but I can say it's all possible, having researched every protocol/technology area that you've mentioned.

@Madison Silvernight 🏳️‍⚧️ @Darth Hideout 🏳️‍🌈 I'm in Canada which is a far more regulated payments environment, but has a more mature system, but, complicated to start. Our finance industry destroys the world less though.

The goal of "already works with people's phones" means it's hard to do a TLS but probably could do a second layer domain: business.town.ca which would make it work well on the internet as a whole.

As an American whose finance industry destroys the world I wasn't counting on payments, existing TLDs, or anyones phone working for much longer 😀

Maybe that's why I've deaigned a wholesale replacement toolkiit for the internet!

I have lived in the UK though, and the instant bank transfer was absolutely wonderful, if Canada has a system anywhere as smooth as that I understand why you'd want to use it.

As an astounding part of Silicon Valley history, if we consider eTransfers in CA and the UK, and then remember that PayPal was the start of so many US tech entreprenuers, and it's still a comparatively crappy experience three decades later.

That's a pretty good metaphor for why the US tech industry is a mess... Lol

Came here to mention mesh.

A lot of old tech would work. RSS, XML/XSLT....SIMPLICITY

We didn't abandon those things because they didn't work well.

We abandoned them because more expensive service level options were shoved down our throats.

I'm down for a throwback retro nerd revolution.

Is there a preferred spot to organize our needs and ideas?

If anyone is geographically close to each other, we can even do some small scale tests too. 💕

(This inspires me! 🙃)

Hehe.. one thing about fediverse is you don't always see the entire thread on an instance, so one should always read the original page before replying! (Note to self.)

So, reticulum was already mentioned. Good.

And a few people talking about payment gateways and infra and DNS/CA. If commerce is a raison d'etre then harder to see the point in doing it, again.. why replicate?

I'd avoid #DNS like the plague in any new network. Somebody already had the terrible idea to start assignment of names on reticulum.

After reading the thread, just wanted to add that being aware that it is not only about the physical layer and the network stack is obviously important. (you point to this in the original post, I believe.)

Ultimately it comes down to having enough interest locally to have the so-callled "human resources" to make it work, and thrive. you might be able to do this with a capitalist model, but I doubt it. Not as long as the other internet exists anyway.