yea at the end of the day usability and where the people are rule privacy. ofc there are things that you can do to keep yourself more private but at the same time if you're inconveniencing yourself, you aren't gonna convince anyone to do what you are. the most I do is make sure that I check the account settings and make sure all the privacy respecting options are enabled and delete any accounts I won't use. but really most of the "privacy" options I choose are mostly just to speed up my computer.
seems like what both of y'all are after is something more like betterfox. it just makes normal bog standard firefox and just changes a few of the defaults. it runs on top of firefox. it's more laid back than librewolf. it just turns off most of the features that slow down the browser.
every other browser does this sort of stuff so why does it matter? and it was all legal jargon just to get the legal system off their backs, nothing actually changed when they introduced the privacy policy. "royalty-free, worldwide license for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox" is less scary than it sounds. it really means "we can use the data" which is a no shit sorta thing. legally companies have to request that they have access to your data so they can have access to the data. and "as you request" just means that they can't immediately syphon off your browser sync data, obviously not because browser sync is end to end encrypted.
The problem is that they said they could update those terms without users explicitly agreeing to them. That's the problem. And because of Mozilla's recent heavy pushes into A.I., I and many others cannot trust them.
@Chris Were but on PeerTube So, regarding the ocean colour thing: it reminds me of a YouTube video I watched a while back. I wonder if something like this is partially responsible for the confusion: youtu.be/I_PBehkjoJI
Yeah, I'm kinda oscillating between a 'true' bbs and something closer to a tilde server like SDF. Or something kinda inbetween. I think something along those vague lines would be fun.
I checked the Queen of Afternoon Tea and I don't get AI vibes from it at all. It sounds like she just writes up the script and is reading it (judging by just one video).
I'd have put Dillo and the text browsers in the Specific uses tier since they obviously can't be used for normal browsing.
I'd put Chromium at the same level as FF now--previously FF would have been higher than Chromium but not any more.
Chris, if you are planning to make a similar list for mobile web browsers, take a look on Fulguris. It's a hidden gem FLOSS web browser available on F-Droid.
I've been using Waterfox for years now and I'd say it's been fine. It does what I need to do without getting on my nerves. I am partial to Lynx for its text-centric approach but nowadays if I want that I'd rather just go to Gemini or Gopher.
@calvin 🛋️ I think it's partly an indirect thing. Since modern web standards are so complex that it's basically impossible for anyone to fully support it without a massive investment of time and capital.* Anyone who does have the resources to pull it off is going to want to make a return on that investment (typically at the user's expense).
* The reason it got there is outside the scope of this post.
In my opinion Floorp is the best out of all of the Firefox based browsers. If Floorp was on the list of browser I think it deserved a B rank.
It's sad that Palemoon and Basilisk the only forks of Firefox's are unusable for awhile. I had used Palemoon for a long time, but I had to uninstall it because more and more websites are stooped working.
I used a bit Vivaldi witch is a fine chromium based browsers with a lot of customization settings, but the fact that it has a closed source UI is the thing that makes me not want to use it and I don't really get why the devs insist keeping it that way, but it's ultimately their choice. If this wasn't the case I would use Vivaldi instead of Chromium for the odd websites that doesn't work as they should in Firefox based browsers.
But I get not everyone cares about the same features as me, for me having vertical tabs without needing to install an extension, PWAs working in Firefox based browser and having lots of customization settings is differentiating Floorp enough from the others. Not that I'm big fan of PWAs or something like that nor that I care about them that much, I don't have any strong opinion about them, but still Firefox abounded this feature and a browser based on it made it work.
Qutebrowser is Chromium-based these days. It used to use "Qt WebKit" until a few years ago, but that's been superseded by QtWebEngine, which uses Chromium under the hood.
the sea is NOT blue because it reflects the sky. water is actually blue but only so slightly that it is only visible when present in vast quantities. water can reflect other colors on its surface but that's due to its mirrory attritbutes when calm. rough sea is blue because water has a blue color.
also greeks didn't know it was blue because they didn't have the semantics yet. blue wasn't a word then, not a frequent color in nature, so.. sea was confusing.
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in reply to Chris Were but on PeerTube • • •ofc there are things that you can do to keep yourself more private but at the same time if you're inconveniencing yourself, you aren't gonna convince anyone to do what you are.
the most I do is make sure that I check the account settings and make sure all the privacy respecting options are enabled and delete any accounts I won't use.
but really most of the "privacy" options I choose are mostly just to speed up my computer.
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in reply to Chris Were but on PeerTube • • •I'd drop Firefox all the way down to D or more likely F. Their new privacy policy is the final nail in the coffin.
Also, Floorp should be in A or B tier.
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in reply to cameronbosch • • •and it was all legal jargon just to get the legal system off their backs, nothing actually changed when they introduced the privacy policy.
"royalty-free, worldwide license for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox" is less scary than it sounds. it really means "we can use the data" which is a no shit sorta thing. legally companies have to request that they have access to your data so they can have access to the data. and "as you request" just means that they can't immediately syphon off your browser sync data, obviously not because browser sync is end to end encrypted.
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in reply to Chris Were but on PeerTube • • •I checked the Queen of Afternoon Tea and I don't get AI vibes from it at all. It sounds like she just writes up the script and is reading it (judging by just one video).
I'd have put Dillo and the text browsers in the Specific uses tier since they obviously can't be used for normal browsing.
I'd put Chromium at the same level as FF now--previously FF would have been higher than Chromium but not any more.
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in reply to Chris Were but on PeerTube • • •Great conversation! I imagine that a "3-hour long tier list video" would have a niche audience, haha.
Would you say that most browsers tend to suck because the web itself sucks?
Also, I'd love to learn more how web engines can be so different, and why it matters to someone who browses the web.
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in reply to calvin 🛋️ • •@calvin 🛋️ I think it's partly an indirect thing. Since modern web standards are so complex that it's basically impossible for anyone to fully support it without a massive investment of time and capital.* Anyone who does have the resources to pull it off is going to want to make a return on that investment (typically at the user's expense).
* The reason it got there is outside the scope of this post.
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in reply to Chris Were but on PeerTube • • •In my opinion Floorp is the best out of all of the Firefox based browsers. If Floorp was on the list of browser I think it deserved a B rank.
It's sad that Palemoon and Basilisk the only forks of Firefox's are unusable for awhile. I had used Palemoon for a long time, but I had to uninstall it because more and more websites are stooped working.
I used a bit Vivaldi witch is a fine chromium based browsers with a lot of customization settings, but the fact that it has a closed source UI is the thing that makes me not want to use it and I don't really get why the devs insist keeping it that way, but it's ultimately their choice. If this wasn't the case I would use Vivaldi instead of Chromium for the odd websites that doesn't work as they should in Firefox based browsers.
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in reply to Chris Were but on PeerTube • • •the sea is NOT blue because it reflects the sky. water is actually blue but only so slightly that it is only visible when present in vast quantities.
water can reflect other colors on its surface but that's due to its mirrory attritbutes when calm. rough sea is blue because water has a blue color.
also greeks didn't know it was blue because they didn't have the semantics yet. blue wasn't a word then, not a frequent color in nature, so.. sea was confusing.