Very important poll ... Yes it's rare that I am serious
If your cis have you ever been missed gendered ?
I'm trying to prove something and this is scientific.
Boost, I need numbers ... Thank you
Thank you all for voting and comments ... Hugz
- Yes (44%, 1812 votes)
- No (40%, 1652 votes)
- I'm trans {💜U} (14%, 574 votes)
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Pseudo Nym
in reply to Melissa BearTrix • • •You may want to add sex to your poll. I haven't (cisgender male) but my wife (cis female) has.
She's tall, and I think folks seeing her in peripheral vision just think tall=male.
Melissa BearTrix
in reply to Pseudo Nym • • •@pseudonym
I didn't want sex with my pole ... Giggles
Yeah I could, but that wasn't the point of the poll, I might add gender and do one like that at another date ... Hugz
Hugz & xXx
Looking for explanations…
in reply to Melissa BearTrix • • •With me it was because of how I was dressed at the time & the fact that the guy had come & stood next to me at a deli counter without looking, & then said “”Sorry mate,” when he knocked me. I wouldn’t have batted an eyelid, except he then glanced at me & apologised, clearly embarrassed. (My hair was short, but my hips & chest clearly those of a woman!)
But the possibility of being misgendered in an aggressive or threatening manner has occurred to me. Transphobia is an extension of misogyny.
Malka Beth
in reply to Melissa BearTrix • • •yes, as has been my husband.
They see my long arms, broad shoulders, big feet & with my hair tied up, think & say "man", this is especially common when I've a bulky sweatshirt on .....
& my husband now over 60 years young, has a full head of pretty short & very curly gray hair has been call "miss & ma'am" dozens of times in my presence... his feet are a full size smaller than mine even as he's a little taller than I am
Malka Beth
in reply to Malka Beth • • •*This fact set BTW is why I don't like laws criminalizing misgendering people, trans or otherwise. It isn't a matter of my being supportive of bigotry, but it is a matter of my wanting a less litigious & fractured world, because I don't want others arrested nor fined for making mistakes against my husband nor I, nor do I want either of us to be arrested or fined for making mistakes on others.
Some days if this was a law - 6 people in a day would get this penalty over just my spouse & his handsome head of hair & he never finds this error worth more than a quick laugh of his.
Looking for explanations…
in reply to Malka Beth • • •Innocent mistakes are fine. Nasty accusations?
Malka Beth
in reply to Looking for explanations… • • •I'm autistic & the number of times I've been accused of having "the wrong" or a "nasty tone" is more times than I can count (generally it's due to my being tired or in elevated pain levels & saying "hello" or after 1-3 times of masking words answering "how are you?" honestly), so I repeat, I don't want this speech available as an element of lawfare against poor &/or disabled people.
Aaaaand if it's a choice of accepting nasty comments, which I get anyways over my appearance anyways (generally related to my mobility aid use) or banning the comments & with them the real innocent mistakes, as I'm already getting "lawn too tall" tickets, banging on my door & threats of tickets, I'm sure someone will find a way to sue me for moving my eyes offensively on this too & put words in my mouth, I'll take the nasty comments!
Looking for explanations…
in reply to Malka Beth • • •@BrahmaBelarusian
Oh and I get that! I’m also autistic, and while my tone of voice is seldom problematic, I am sometimes misunderstood.
When I say nasty, I mean explicitly so. Like someone questioning my right to use a “ladies toilet”, the intention being to harass and intimidate.
Malka Beth
in reply to Looking for explanations… • • •@Susan60 Again, I get false accusations all the time & I'm pretty much continually battling them as it is now, mostly over growing edible plants in my yard & having them called "grass too tall" (as if an onion stalk is really a blade of grass) and am I "really disabled without a phone I can use", more laws aren't going to fix any of that, it'll just give more weapons to the rich & other upper economic classes against those of us without the money or other resources to get attorneys nor readily pay the fines.
To your example:
Should my spouse who's got sizable vision trouble, saying absent mindedly "men's room is over there" before nearly dropping onto a nearby bench from fatigue really get ticketed, because someone thinks his almost falling as he walks is "aggressive"????
Looking for explanations…
in reply to Malka Beth • • •I wouldn’t regard such a thing as egregiously nasty or intimidating. I realise laws can be misused, hence the need for them to be worded very carefully & clearly. There will always be people who make innocent, sometimes clumsy mistakes & I’m not interested in policing them.
Malka Beth
in reply to Looking for explanations… • • •@Susan60 Fine, that's you, in not being among the worst, but I'm against these laws because I've seen how wording doesn't matter worth a darn.
If a poor person is sued or approached & fined they're likely to be physically assaulted by pigs/cops in that process -those being the only enforcement paths.
Overall Freedom of Speech is what's needed & enforcement of laws against actual harmful actions, regardless of economic class. Right now, we've got economic class based enforcement of all the laws, so until after that has changed, I want to see more laws repealed, not added.
Looking for explanations…
in reply to Malka Beth • • •@BrahmaBelarusian
Ah, that’s where I’m happy to respect your opinion, but disagree.
In my country we don’t have guaranteed carte Blanche freedom of speech, & I’m glad of it. The rise of hate speech in some parts of the world, aided & abetted by authoritarianism, is a greater threat in my view. Some people will always be more vulnerable to misapplication & abuse of the law, which is terribly wrong, but in my view excessive freedom of speech is the greater threat.
wauz ワウズ
in reply to Malka Beth • • •I had a badge stating: Don't address, will bite! in German. I used it at work in the first hour of the morning shift, when no customers were around. One day, I forgot to put it off, a elderly lady asked me something, and then noticed the message. But I could explain it to her. I use to be rather grumpy whenever I have to get up early...
@Susan60 @MelissaBearTrix
Malka Beth
in reply to wauz ワウズ • • •@wauz @Susan60 It's not really a matter of being grumpy, it's a matter of ableist people pretty continually assuming that after they either get way too close to a person, grab a mobility aid of theirs & move it without the permission, or touch them without their permission, that said people can't react in any other way than to be passively obedient & subservient to said abuse.
Most people have the understanding that is seeing people with abnormal gates, using canes or crutches to give them a little more space to move....and not less, but the ableists....
*The only entities waking us up early are pigs/cops at our door, always over things that don't really harm anyone including ourselves, but sometimes that do "offend" the sensibilities of other people. My spouse worked & woke early for decades but he doesn't anymore- so when a pig starts banging on our door (almost always completely ignoring the doorbell) 2-5 hours before the time his alarm clock is now set for, it's a bigoted pig problem- not our attitude!
wauz ワウズ
in reply to Malka Beth • • •@BrahmaBelarusian
Yes, I got that. My point just was to use an unspoken signal. The grumpy bit is just about me, bc that was, what actually was the case. Something like the black and yellow stripes of a wasp, saying: Don't mess with me.
People _are_ stupid and often they don't realize how rude they are. Or, let's say: their behavior is felt rude, whatever they intended.
@Susan60 @MelissaBearTrix
Malka Beth
in reply to wauz ワウズ • • •@wauz Whenever disabled badges have been worn &/or listings for pigs of disabled people have been sent, more of us (disabled people) have been harmed & killed outright, in my country, so badges for this, just like laws against freedom of speech, aren't going to solve this problem set.
I've had a physical therapist whom was supposed to help me with my gate & was told before this that I was very prone to falling, that I didn't return to largely because on a first visit, said person who was over 1 foot shorter than me, followed me out at a distance of under 1/2 a foot away, so I'm very aware of either intelligence or purposeful ignorance of many people.
Your badge only worked because few enough people were around so that you likely could've individually explained to them that you needed space & quiet.
I do all I can to be clear, but as the bigots control law enforcement & a sizable chunk of the legislative system, so neither more laws nor badges are going to fix said messes!
wauz ワウズ
in reply to Malka Beth • • •That sounds very bad. We had better times in (west) Germany, but we experience a backlash now, at least the last five years. Mayby people just don't hide anymore. Lots of hate.
Looking for explanations…
in reply to wauz ワウズ • • •@wauz @BrahmaBelarusian
Yes, I think the rise of right wing authoritarians in many parts of the world have given people licence to express more hatred.
Jonathan Lamothe
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Shae Erisson
in reply to Melissa BearTrix • • •Cy
in reply to Melissa BearTrix • • •Neea
in reply to Melissa BearTrix • • •Oh yeah. I got called "sir" IRL because apparently wearing a backpack isn't feminine. And when I was younger it was the high of "There's no girls on the internet" so between the masculine default and some dudes thinking I was lying I was misgendered a lot online.
I've also seen my cis brothers and male friends being called miss because of their long hair. A lot.
Some people have a very weird idea of what is gendered
Neea
in reply to Neea • • •Oh, and my kids got misgendered a lot too (and they identify as their birth gender for now)
I also had JW scream at me in the street that I shouldn't dress my boy like a girl while he's wearing a perfectly genderless white cardigan that his Catholic grand-aunt had knitted for his dad decades ago.
Seriously the gender ideology war is real but us queer aren't the cause of it.
SeanBurlington 🌈 🕊️
in reply to Neea • • •"the gender ideology war is real but us queer aren't the cause of it."
@Neea @MelissaBearTrix a lot of it was capitalists trying to sell more stuff by marketing the idea that boys and girls couldn't wear the same thing.
See also Gillette and women shaving.
SeanBurlington 🌈 🕊️
in reply to SeanBurlington 🌈 🕊️ • • •@Neea
People who go on about "going back to when men were men" really need to learn some history
Just look at King Louis and his high heels (originally cavalry gear - worn for stirrups) and his stockings (which were fairly universal)