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"eniko why won't your studio support mac anymore"

well, this might have something to do with it: hackaday.com/2024/11/01/apple-…

"Now it would seem that to distribute MacOS software you need to have an Apple Developer Program membership, costing $99/year."

if anything apple should be paying *me* $99 a year to put up with their bullshit. i'm not locking myself into development-as-a-service where every year i have to dish out $99 to even be allowed to make programs for mac and then every 4 years also have to buy an entirely new overpriced piece of trash laptop because apple arbitrarily decided the latest version of macos won't run on older macbooks

in reply to Eniko | Kitsune Tails out now!

mac can run wine, so it might be possible for mac users to play your games that way.
most mac computers can also run linux, so they can play the games that way too.
maybe it's possible to distribute a build of wine alongside the game as a mac version?
you wouldn't be able to test if this works on all mac os versions though, apple is a mess
in reply to Haijo

@Haijo7 there is a community supported patch to get kitsune tails running on mac. but we can't officially support mac, even via wine or other wrappers, because then we're on the hook if it doesn't work and we don't have the ability to fix that or test it
in reply to Eniko | Kitsune Tails out now!

it makes me so angry. We saw it coming, we warned people it would come. It makes me feel helpless and angry. I was a long time Apple user, now I hate Apple so much.
in reply to Eniko | Kitsune Tails out now!

You are right. My macbookpro late 2018 is less efficient and less updated than my Linux pc i7 from 2012.

Welcome to the #apple #corporate #greed making millions in #ewaste despite their false #green pledges.

in reply to Eniko | Kitsune Tails out now!

It's been like this for years. You pay apple for the opportunity to keep updating your program or they will delist it, and to be able to update you need to keep buying new hardware from them all the time.

I gave up a couple decades ago.

in reply to Eniko | Kitsune Tails out now!

"Now it would seem that to distribute MacOS software you need to have an Apple Developer Program membership, costing $99/year."

This turns out not to be the case.

idownloadblog.com/2024/08/07/a…

in reply to Eniko | Kitsune Tails out now!

This is inherently not developer-friendly. Double-dipping, I guess they feel any interaction with their products must be monetized on both ends.

The only good answer to this, is to disengage.

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in reply to Eniko | Kitsune Tails out now!

A prime example of squeeze the consumer until there is nothing left. I like the fact that you walked away from developing for Apple.
in reply to Eniko | Kitsune Tails out now!

so we can't... write source code, compile and link it into executable binary files, and run those anymore? is that the bottom line? is MacOS (and all its libraries) an untenable API now? we need to pay a subscription to use our own universal Von Neumann machine now?

[UPDATE: actually no, not yet, see below]

like a paper notebook whose pages you have to pay rent to write on?
to scribble your own poems, with your own ink, to share with your own friends?

guess I'm never buying a Mac again

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in reply to Eniko | Kitsune Tails out now!

the writing has been on the wall for a while, but still sad to see the hammer finally come down. I used to love macOS (or OS X, really) when they tried to be useful to devs but they’ve fully disappeared up their own asses now. Now I’m left with either being gaslit by Windows for an easyish life, or made to constantly fart about with technical nuances I don’t care about to run Linux
in reply to Eniko | Kitsune Tails out now!

feels like apple has an archetype in mind of what a "small developer" developing for their platforms is like, and it's a pro shop with multiple full time engineers who can spread around the time cost of keeping all their mac software up to date and clearing whatever new bars apple has set for them to jump over.
and if you're not that, they seem to be telling everyone else, then fuuuck youuu! pay us money anyways! we'll break your shit because we feel like it!
in reply to JP

@jplebreton pretty much, yeah. fortunately for me a 2% revenue increase would not break even on the time, subscription, and hardware costs involved so i get to just flip them off instead
@JP
in reply to Eniko | Kitsune Tails out now!

@jplebreton I think Apple inherently both don’t understand gaming and don’t care. They make some big splash announcement with some big game every few years (often years after it would matter). That’s it.

I keep hearing the same specific argument from game developers time after time again, it’s not worth it.

At it’s core it’s not about the hardware (separate topic), or the $99 dev program, or the compatibility issues, or lack of sensible APIs (they don’t even put actual Vulkan on there), or any of the other reasons.

It’s not worth it. The investment has terrible ROI. And I say this as an Apple user. I play my games elsewhere (but never ever Windows, the worst of the worst).

Indie devs, don’t bother with Apple unless it’s a passion project for you. Not even MiHoYo (who has iPadOS and iOS versions!) releases on Mac. Should tell you everything.

So, Kitsune Tails for SNES, when?

@JP
in reply to Eniko | Kitsune Tails out now!

it costs money on windows as well. Would be nice if they adopted a free CA, because code signing is extremely useful, I don’t mind the extra steps to running an application that isn’t signed so I’m extra aware of where I’m downloading it. I’m sure some CA will crop up in the future since this isn’t just an issue with only apple.
in reply to Eniko | Kitsune Tails out now!

I don’t remember if I did it on 15.1 or 15.0.1 (I'm on 15.1 now) but I have installed Artifactory OSS (docker repository edition) (an .zip with the binaries) on my Mac. I had to approve each individual helper binaries in the control panel to make it work. Before 15.x, it was left click on the binary, chose open and allow.
in reply to Eniko | Kitsune Tails out now!

If they make it impossible for me to build my own programs without going through some fucking developer license, and I know this is distinctly different from distributing software, I will absolutely walk away from Apple. And I have been sorely tempted over the last few years to do just that.

Even the hardware which had been one of their strong points is now sort of crappy.

That leaves them only with their monitors and Apple has quite become almost too frustrating to deal with.

in reply to Eniko | Kitsune Tails out now!

Back in the intel days, the mac was the ideal machine for science analysis and development: a real UI, with a posix-compliant ‘nix under the hood. But then they took away DL_LIBRARY_PATH and it’s been downhill from there.
I was actually thinking of asking my boss for a Mac again. Reading this, forget it. It’s no longer a real platform.
in reply to Eniko | Kitsune Tails out now!

you should turn around and ask them why they're not using Asahi Linux, which is starting to make Proton on Steam on ARM a thing.
in reply to Eniko | Kitsune Tails out now!

AND they force you to use the latest MacOS because XCode stops being updated on older OS for no reason

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