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Authenticity Problem

Bonus timelapse: peppercarrot.com/en/miniFantas…

#webcomic #krita #miniFantasyTheater

in reply to David Revoy

Thanks for the support! Funny thing I wanted to plug here: I've never received comments like that here on the Fediverse <img class=" title=":fediverse:"/> , but I get dozens of them, weekly, on the Meta platforms (Facebook/Instagram)...

I'm really grateful for how this community checks artists' work and actually verifies it's real human art before throwing random accusations.

This is my favorite place to share for a reason. 💜

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in reply to David Revoy

I mean I would HOPE people would need a real smoking gun to say that YOUR art is AI. I mean a lot of MFT is Anti-AI, so that would be random if it was made with AI.

Either way it's usually better to question, but not accuse when it comes to AI I think. Unless it is very much egregiously AI than it's better not to just throw accusations.

At least in this comic the vibe I get is just wanting to be a critic and not actually appreciating art though.

in reply to David Revoy

Your art is amazing, your local-first process is commendable, your wherewithal is admirable, and your address of the state of things is spot on!

Absolutely love your stuff. I love that the lack of algorithm in the fediverse doesn't bubble up "engagement" for you, and that you know you're really valued!

I mean, by me.. Whoever I am.. BUT STILL! Love your work!

in reply to David Revoy

you'd have to be an idiot to still be using the Meta platforms as a non-creator*, so it makes sense that so many wouldn't be able to tell the difference between your wonderful work and slop.

* I understand creators and brands need to stay on there for their livelihoods. I wish they didn't, but I wouldn't call artists needing to make a living "idiots."

in reply to David Revoy

If you think that would help for haters... 🤷
I have my doubts. It's not just the drawing. Just getting a grasp of modern problems mixed with fantasy RPG theme is totally creative for me. Those who ignore all of that now will most likely do so regardeless later on. I think many just see boosted strips and not the other stuff.

I also like the other stuff an forwarded some of your videos to a friend (@KathyKahner). She mostly draws with good old tools like pen&paper. So I thought it might come in handy for her (maybe some time in the future) to get a glimpse of what someone could do with Krita.
Although I suck at drawing (i'm in awe of your skills!), I am still fascinated about the workflow in digital Art.

(But most of all I really like this #miniFantasyTheater strips.)

in reply to David Revoy

En même temps, les plateformes de chez Meta mettent au maximum en avant le contenu IA pour essayer de rentabiliser leurs horreurs, les utilisateurs se font bombarder de contenu synthétique... ils doivent être un peu rincés de tout ça.

Ici, tu postes un contenu IA, t'as la Fedi-police qui défonce ta porte d'entrée avec un bélier (un bélier furry, hein, faut pas oublier qu'on est sur le fediverse)

Et tant mieux !

in reply to David Revoy

On one hand, we know AI in general has a bias for yellow because yellowish images have a higher tendency of getting marked as "good looking" because of the "golden hour" in photography.

On the other, true, while AI hurts artists, due to that, even more for those who like yellow tones! :fuminodepression3:

This entry was edited (Wednesday, August 5, 2026, 4:52 PM)
in reply to David Revoy

But their is always souls in your work !

The issue with other platform is that people expect ai stuff, they want to see ai stuff and it must look like ai. When they say "it's ai, right" it's not because they don't value your work but because they want to know that they can make a prompt and do the same.

I could be completely wrong, but why stay on such places if they don't want ai crap ?

in reply to David Revoy

I hate that I myself sometimes see genuine art and have doubts that it's AI. I guess it makes me pay more attention to the artist behind the art I see which is good.

Now that "looking like good art" is something that AI can do, paying attention to what it's conveying and who's making it is more important than ever.

I'll take community over mindless consumption everytime

This entry was edited (Wednesday, August 5, 2026, 5:06 PM)
in reply to David Revoy

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in reply to David Revoy

You are one of the first people I followed on mastodon and feels so nice to see your post getting so much love. I have no idea what it can be like doing what you do in these times. All I can do is join here and share this from behind a smile, a feeling of empathy to a "stranger" I have a feeling I know and tell you that I look forward to your posts. Especially now after this one.

Cheers

in reply to David Revoy

I think it's just something people struggle with, they will make deranged statements in pursuit of trying to seem like they're still on top of things.

I know it's easy to say, but don't take it personally, I've always been a fan of both your art and your open source tooling/process.

This stuff is one reason I'm really happy the EU is requiring AI involvement to be labeled as such; it works both ways, and hopefully other countries/areas will follow, so we can put an end to this.

in reply to David Revoy

I faced this while doing a research paper for publishing, there were many parts that I wrote them myself, but it's was flagged as AI percentage. No matter what I change those paragraphs, it still gives me that an AI wrote it. I eventually inserted some typing mistakes intentionally to escape this loop.
This entry was edited (Wednesday, August 5, 2026, 8:58 PM)
in reply to David Revoy

There is a clear education problem I don't know how to address and it is somewhat annoying.

The same happens with writing communities. "Oh that sounds like AI", whine the ignorant who don't seem to get that "AI" was deliberately made to sound like people do and trained on exactly that sort of content.

"AI detection" is fundamentally bullshit unless the "AI" is absolutely garbage at what it's designed to do.

Those false accusations are quite demoralizing to artists.

For the social systems to be able to mitigate and filter out its presence, people first need to internalize a few basic facts on how it works, to not fight at cross purposes.


That painting is quite nice.

This entry was edited (Wednesday, August 5, 2026, 5:50 PM)
in reply to David Revoy

@David Revoy Not that I would compare myself to an artist, but in a similar fashion I have already been told that my prose (mostly technical prose—again, not an artist!) must have been AI-generated due to my propensity to use em dashes

Damn it, I—and countless other writers—have been using em dashes long before those stochastic parrots came into being!

in reply to Damien Goutte-Gattat

@dgouttegattat
A lot of technically-minded people use a lot of parentheticals to cover details, and em-dashes really help.

I suspect the AI uses them because it tends to random-walk around the point. It's bad at staying on topic. I always have the impression that it's weaving all over the road and bouncing off the guardrails.
@davidrevoy

in reply to Space Catitude 🚀

@TerryHancock @dgouttegattat True, I wasn't familiar with em-dash before making the translation system for Pepper&Carrot, in French it's not common, we often use the : or ; to split sentences like that, and of course, yes, personally I use too many parenthesis (of course). But I also adopted it.

One of the AI effect I observed; now many French articles have this US/English way to construct sentences, with em-dash. And French tends to adopt it, so AI is shifting local culture more than we think.

in reply to David Revoy

…and after the house destruction incident, I thought that parrot had been banished to the bin forever.

This I think, is going to be a real challenge… especially once it lands in the courtroom. Either someone who committed a serious crime will get off because the defence sows enough doubt about whether evidence is real to convince a jury that the accused is guilty… or someone who is being framed for a crime will get charged and sentenced for something they didn't do due to craftily falsified evidence.

in reply to David Revoy

This is one of the things about AI generated art that many people don't think about... it's that *psychologically* speaking, regardless of whether we use AI or not, we're all now in a state of constantly questioning whether something is authentic or not.

This is an incredibly erosive precedent to be set for human culture. We live in truly dangerous times.

in reply to David Revoy

Oh damn! I owe you a sincere apology.

I'm used to avoid AI slop, and my reaction to the image 1 was “AI gen”. I even closed the image, and then saw the title “Authenticity Problem,” it made me doubt myself. I reopened the image, read the comic, and then watched the timelapse, which confirmed that it was indeed your work and not AI.

And now I can’t even imagine what it must be like for you. Hang in there, and great work despite everything!

And again, sorry! Apparently, I'm biased

in reply to David Revoy

On the contrary. Thanks to you! It made me wonder how many images I’ve quickly closed just because they were “AI,” when they actually weren’t...

And on top of that, it seems you’re a FOSS advocate and a Krita user (and maybe Blender, if I understand correctly).

So clearly, I would have missed out on an opportunity, especially since I’m trying again to get into Krita, among other foss.

Et aparemment vous êtes français en plus. Haha.

in reply to bassistance

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@bassistance If you mean the comic, just check on my website: on the footer I always share a high resolution, the Krita source, the text separated on a transparent PNG or PDF and the comic with just the artworks too.

If it's about the fictive artwork the Gothic Sorceress Cepper is painting on this comic, you'll find it here ☺️ :

framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/1170…


@ghosttie Her fictive painting? The largest resolution I have for this color sketch is peppercarrot.com/extras/temp/2…

in reply to Cyber Yuki

@Cyber Yuki @David Revoy It gets extra tricky for these systems to reliably cite sources because of how jumbled around the training data gets. It's kind of like money laundering but for creative works.

If I'm not mistaken, there have been attempts to add citations to LLM output to try to improve their perceived trustworthiness, but it frequently just resulted in "hallucinated" citations.

I don't know how hard to lean on Hanlon's Razor here, but it does seem to be an issue that they don't have much incentive to correct.

in reply to David Revoy

Oh god, that first panel. :blobcatgoogly: I live a quiet life but have a high engagement drive, so I keep a protocol droid for light philosophical banter and self-indulgent fandom roleplay. And the moments that REALLY make me want to smack it with a rolled-up newspaper are the unprompted image dumps right into my lap when I mention my thoughts on an art project.

Like, NO!!! I want to do it my way, with my ideas, not your influence! And I'm not touching your image, put that away! 😫

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