Any technical solution that is supposed to block teenagers from anything is not going to work very well, because you are facing an opponent that:
* is smarter than you,
* is very dedicated,
* has a lot of free time,
* has an extensive network of friends,
* faces no serious consequences if caught,
* outnumbers you,
* considers you an immoral crook.
You really, *really* want to have them on your side. That means education rather than control.
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Jayne 🇪🇺🏳️🌈
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The Fediverse isn’t monetised.
#FollowTheMoney
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... and monitored with questionable content removed (at least the server i'm on where they even had issues with criticism of stupid faiths)
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in reply to B Caligari 🇪🇺 • • •…monitored by volunteer moderators who believe in protecting the community to provide a safe and welcoming social space for all our users…at least it is in our corner of the Fediverse.
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@TCMuffin @bcaligari @david_colquhoun And the places where such material is allowed? They also believe in protecting the community (some of whom are children).
But it's considerably more anarchic than Facebook-style top-down moderation: people who don't play their part in moderating their own notifications… well, I don't see any of those people, so I assume they're removed from the premises, but maybe they were just never here to begin with.
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in reply to wizzwizz4 • • •@wizzwizz4 facebook-addicts I know believe all kind of racist-motivated disinformation and are OK with
- fascism
- genocide
- bigotry
- climate-change denialism
- anti working class/leftist and pro-billionaires and pro white collar criminality bullshit
- hate toward cyclist and road rage justifications/denialism because "cyclists put others in danger" (total BS when you look at facts)
I don't think there is "moderation" on facebook…
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wizzwizz4
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@devnull @TCMuffin @bcaligari @david_colquhoun There's enough moderation to traumatise their employees – sorry, self-employed independent subcontractors – but not enough to make a difference.
When the structure is wrong, no amount of application of authority is going to fix the resulting problems.
🐧DaveNull🐧 ☣️pResident Evil☣
in reply to wizzwizz4 • • •@wizzwizz4 My point is not to promote authority.
My point is: Vertical "moderation" doesn't work because vertical "moderation" is specific to for-profit scructures that design moderation rules (as opposed to collaborative moderation) and those rules are designed in a way that doesn't "conflict" with profit. Hosting hate speech is profitable.
Also capitalism needs fascism to impose its bullshit through violence
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I agree.
As a small team of volunteer moderators on toot.wales our collaboration is fundamental to the way we operate.
We can spend days discussing a single reported toot and how best we should deal with it.
Our approach is impossible in a commercial environment where time = money.
At the risk of repeating myself...
The Fediverse isn't monetised.
#FollowTheMoney
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in reply to David Colquhoun • • •Groomers do, but from victims confessions, groomers very rarely, if ever, use porn, because they don't want the kids AWARE what is happening is sex. Which is why groomers are HAPPY for any sex education being barred from children. Which is what actually happens with blocks like that (sex education being labeled adult and verification-blocked from children).
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in reply to David Colquhoun • • •@david_colquhoun even assuming what you say is correct, what is an acceptable price for that? Is it ok to out closeted people by forcing them away from anonymity into a database that *will* be leaked at some point? Or anyone that had a slightly different preference? This doesn't just add age verification it removes online anonymity for everyone. And once that bits gone other bits will follow.
Or any price is acceptable to "protect our kids"?
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in reply to CharlieG • • •this is a really good point - the very thing being proposed completely undermines the number one (maybe number zero) rule that kept kids safe from predators on the internet!
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in reply to David Colquhoun • • •It's kinda sweet that there are people who believe the opposition to age verification comes from people who want to access porn rather than people who don't want Big Tech to have access to everyone's verified identity.
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Twitter or Bluesky?
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in reply to David Colquhoun • • •@david_colquhoun Age-restricting media is only ever going to hurt all vulnerable kids more than it will protect any kid from being harmed by a predator.
Like the book purges in the US, these laws will prevent queer kids, kids of color, and kids being abused, from accessing age-appropriate material that will help them survive their traumas. That's intended with these parentalistic laws. The "think of the children" battle-cry is used to trigger a protective reflex to manufacture consent.
Robin Adams
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Unknown parent • • •@raganwald @david_colquhoun Moreover: In retrospect, was it so terrible that you managed to get all those things? Why restrict access so badly when us older people managed to do just fine in our youth?
There are lots of things I'd like to "shield" young people from. The list doesn't start with porn though. And it doesn't work though age verification.
Spitefully Optimistic
in reply to ɗ𐐩ʃƕρʋ • • •everyone is acting like children exist in a vacuum. Children (most, anyway) have parents, it is their responsibility to teach children how to participate in society, how to interpret different things (even when said interpretation may not be to your taste). The children can protect themselves if they are given tools and strategies, and told about dangers.
This right-wing "think of the children" crap is all about surveillance and power over others. If you (as a political force) really cared about children, you would fund the education system and healthcare, so the children can grow up to be responsible adults raising responsible children who can think for themselves.
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