LB I do not understand at all how people are arguing this is GTS behaving badly and not scrapers like...
FediDB: how many users do you have
GTS: I'm not telling you don't crawl my page
FediDB: I'm going to do it anyway how many users do you have
GTS: Fifty billion
FediDB: okay thanks
FediDB: hey wait you lied to me!!!
Like idk sounds to me like you should have walked away at "don't crawl my page" and if you get the wrong numbers after that that's on you
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lori
in reply to lori • • •Honestly looking at FediDBs GitHub there's a lot of complaints about it's scraping behavior in general. Like it will keep repeatedly hitting domains that don't even have fedi servers anymore
github.com/fedidb/issues/issue…
Crawler should have exponential backoff on unavailable instances · Issue #47 · fedidb/issues
GitHublori
in reply to lori • • •And with a server as big as Universeodon missing how good are these stats anyway?
github.com/fedidb/issues/issue…
Where's George Takei? · Issue #48 · fedidb/issues
GitHublori
in reply to lori • • •Ultimately the real problem we aren't discussing though is that Dansup is accusing the GTS devs of doing this "for clout", when they are doing this for "leave me alone", which is the opposite of clout.
It's complete bullshit and he should be embarrassed to say it.
lori
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in reply to lori • • •And if his accusation is that this completely optional feature was added with "suspicious timing" to hurt him specifically
Then he's probably being overly optimistic about how quickly people update GTS
lori
in reply to lori • • •I'm definitely many updates behind because I am:
- lazy
I also chose GTS in the first place because I am:
- lazy
And it seemed like an easy install (and largely was)
Nick
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in reply to Nick • • •@linuxfiend the only reason I even feel like I need to update is I want post edits lmao
But god it sure is effort id have to expend
Ellie (batteries not included)
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in reply to lori • • •i said this before on a standalone post but if theres one thing he could learn from his idol gargron is to shut the fuck up and actually work on his bullshit software (that doesn't even do its job properly lmao)
seriously say what you want about website boy but at least he was smart enough to back off and do his shit instead of acting like the next jesus christ
lori
in reply to chkdsk • • •@chkdsk it's funny because about a month ago during a meltdown Eugen literally told him DIRECTLY and PRIVATELY "hey man quit posting right now you're not doing yourself any favors" and he proceeded to post that message and keep posting for a bit and making everyone mad before he finally listened
A ton of his recent posts, including this GTS one, are full of nothing but people trying to tell him "hey man please stop posting this it's such a bad idea"
jeremiah
in reply to lori • • •he just had a post that was like "my project is only popular because I post"
Edit:
And here's the thing I don't think that's true. I think people want Instagram and TikTok alternatives and are willing to give it a try.
lori
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in reply to lori • • •@jeremiah @chkdsk well he'd get attention but
Y'know
The kind that doesn't translate to signups
chkdsk
in reply to jeremiah • • •personally while an instagram-like service has its use (visual artists would like it a lot) even though just making an alt frontend for mastodon/other existing softwares would do the job as well...
loops was a fucking grave mistake. not only because that form is an evil product of modern internet designed specifically to addict you and worsen your attention span, but also it just Won't fucking Work. tiktok is a cash cow because it has an algorithm designed to keep you sucked in for hours
so its just a dumb fucking thing that makes no sense. and i think posting short vids on existing microblogging side of fedi software is good as is
lori
in reply to chkdsk • • •@chkdsk @jeremiah anyone who cares about fedi would have cloned vine instead
Small file sizes, hard to monetize so no big financial incentives, and in 6 seconds you can tell one tightly thought out joke or show your dog and can't spread weird misinformation
chkdsk
in reply to lori • • •lori
in reply to chkdsk • • •@chkdsk @jeremiah out of the tiktoks I've seen the only good and memorable one I can think of that couldn't have fit in a vine is the "it goes in the square hole" one
That one needed to be long
lori
in reply to lori • • •@chkdsk @jeremiah I have a burner tiktok account that I only made to keep an eye on people buying plots of land in the desert or swamp attempting to build communes with absolutely no skills in anything
Just because I have Strange Interests
lori
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in reply to Gildilinie BLU-RAY(tm) EDITION • • •@gildilinie oh I've been into commune people on and off since well before Cohost the problem is you have to find the ones that spend enough time online that they post enough about it that you get the details
Luckily these days more and more ill advised communes are being started by tiktok people
lori
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jeremiah
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When you formulate it like that, yeah. You're right about loops.
I care more about Instagram because I've got artist friends who rely on Instagram for studios sales and courting galleries, and I mostly just want institutions and artists to be off big tech.
I've got a Pixelfed account on the flagship instance that I'm migrating now (didn't realize Dan never worked on meaningful export functionality until I went to use it).
I do like having a photo focused account/app separated from the microblogging one.
lori
in reply to jeremiah • • •@jeremiah @chkdsk I keep wondering why we need servers dedicated to image posts instead of like...front ends
Maybe there's something I'm missing but it feels like you could just have Mastodon or GTS or whatever and just have a front end that filters down to just image posts, or a front end that shows your posts in a portfolio view
Kiloku
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in reply to lori • • •you see
anyone with a brain would apologize for being stupid
meanwhile dansup would start doing olympic grade mental gymnastics just to make it like he was right
lori
in reply to chkdsk • • •gemelen
in reply to lori • • •- start any project
- make drama
- pose as a disruptor, opposed by various groups
- inflate own audience numbers
- sell
Tak!
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in reply to lori • • •Lnklnx :sdf:
in reply to lori • • •I don't run a fedi server, but I do run a regular website and any crawler that disobeys my robots.txt gets severely mistreated by me, without shame. If you break the well-established convention that robots.txt represents -- I don't care why -- then you get what you get.
This feels very firmly like the FO side of FA, FO.
lori
in reply to Lnklnx :sdf: • • •@lnklnx ironically FAFO is what he posted in what I think is yet another deleted post about how he was going to "spill tea" about what GTS is doing
Unfortunately the reactions so far have been people going "Dansup this seems fine why are you assuming malice here"
Lnklnx :sdf:
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Erik
in reply to lori • • •It haunts me that he didn't even say that, he said "spread tea," this language is so appropriated he doesn't even know how to work it properly.
Altho, speaking of language, he calls this an "inconvenience" here, when instead it's "lack of interest in shared values including on technical basics so basic even I, who doesn't touch computers, knows is basic."
mastodon.social/@dansup/113956…
lori
in reply to Erik • • •I Can't Believe It's Not Tully
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Eugen Rochko
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in reply to lori • • •@Gargron but the real problem isn't what the software is doing, it's the extremely public accusation that another dev was acting maliciously at him personally
That's worse behavior than anything else here
Eugen Rochko
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