The comedy of my Cyberhole toys using a Terminal, simulating a VT52 more or less, made in HTML & JS, running in a browser, on a "real" GUI, relying on high-speed graphics cards because I'm WAY too lazy to do my own double-buffering, hits me just about every day I play with it.
I keep being amazed by terminals that use fancy UTF characters, colours and whatnot to create graphic features when you could just as well render just any old shape in the same place.
Unless something actually needs to be able to run outside of a desktop environment (which, alright, is needed for a fair number of things), I don't really see the benefit.
I'm still waiting for a proper graphical code/equation editor where comments happen in the margins and can be threaded and contain figures, where I can zoom out to see methods and classes as little boxes with connectors, arranged in a way that makes the relations between them more obvious, and I can rearrange and refactor them by drag & drop.
@Mr. Teatime @muesli I do a surprising amount of computing over an SSH connection with no X11 or Wayland system on my end. If it can't be run through a CLI or TUI, I can't use it.
...technically I can do VNC, but it's a pain in the ass and requires way more bandwidth than it ought to.
@me No objection. I have to use the non-graphical ttys on my machines so often it's a bit embarrassing (RAM full, desktop locked up ...), so yes, I do appreciate a good shell. @fribbledom
Tools makers have been very successful at labeling working code and working tools as "technical debt". As you would expect from people who would be unemployed if not selling us on using new tools to write new code. Really slick scam they have going on there. With the willing participation of people who similarly benefit from calling working technology "technical debt". #technology
@me Only because tool makers make it a real thing. If I am not running Java 37 and Spring Boot 9 I can no longer get security and bug fixes. Instead I have to upgrade to new security flaws and new bugs. As well as introduce new bugs into my program because they changed APIs and renamed a bunch of things. It's a scam to keep people employed.
@Badtux the Snarky Penguin That is definitely a thing, and I'm not going to pretend the modern computing industry isn't a giant clusterfuck, but also, sometimes we just legitimately come up with better ways of doing things.
Things do get messy when money is involved, though.
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in reply to muesli • • •Mr. Teatime
in reply to muesli • • •I keep being amazed by terminals that use fancy UTF characters, colours and whatnot to create graphic features when you could just as well render just any old shape in the same place.
Unless something actually needs to be able to run outside of a desktop environment (which, alright, is needed for a fair number of things), I don't really see the benefit.
I'm still waiting for a proper graphical code/equation editor where comments happen in the margins and can be threaded and contain figures, where I can zoom out to see methods and classes as little boxes with connectors, arranged in a way that makes the relations between them more obvious, and I can rearrange and refactor them by drag & drop.
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in reply to Mr. Teatime • •@Mr. Teatime @muesli I do a surprising amount of computing over an SSH connection with no X11 or Wayland system on my end. If it can't be run through a CLI or TUI, I can't use it.
...technically I can do VNC, but it's a pain in the ass and requires way more bandwidth than it ought to.
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in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •No objection. I have to use the non-graphical ttys on my machines so often it's a bit embarrassing (RAM full, desktop locked up ...), so yes, I do appreciate a good shell.
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in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •Jonathan Lamothe
in reply to Badtux the Snarky Penguin • •@Badtux the Snarky Penguin That is definitely a thing, and I'm not going to pretend the modern computing industry isn't a giant clusterfuck, but also, sometimes we just legitimately come up with better ways of doing things.
Things do get messy when money is involved, though.
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