And yes, there are fascist tools, those who think they're neutral or who sided with fascists out of ignorance rather than core values, and they can certainly be turned to antifa. There are approaches that do not involve accusing them in order to reach them.
But until they're turned, until they stop carrying water for fash, there's nothing wrong with sternly holding them to that when the timing is right.
And often, the timing is right, to say hey, you are working against your own values here to help those who would exterminate me. Stop that.
@stux⚡️ While I agree with your premise, I disagree with the logic by which you arrived at it. By the same logic, if you oppose "Moms for Liberty", you must be against liberty... or moms, I guess.
@me "... by it's name alone" Yes, which is why the logical next step would be to check whether the intention of the name is upheld/reflected by actions
According to the white supremacist morons in the White House, those 9389 Americans who sacrificed their lives during Operation Overlord in 1944 to stop the fascist nonsense in Europe and were buried in the Normandy American Cemetery and Memorial in France were terrorists. That's what their dumb propaganda signals to the world. Would love to see some battle-tested American veterans repeatedly pointing out their hypocrisy and how much those weak assholes disrespect every victim of WWII.
The secret third thing is "person ignorant about the history of fascism and philosophy behind fascism and the consequences of allowing fascism to progress unchecked". Or "idiot", if you prefer.
Jeff
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in reply to Jeff • • •@JPZ For me it's a clear sign 😉
I don't debate with nazi's, ill punch 'em
stux⚡️
in reply to stux⚡️ • • •On most things I would say there are multiple layers, a in-between, gray area or whatever but not if it comes to this
It shouldn't be that hard for people to say
Let's please stop giving fascists space to debate or get heard, it's so super easy..
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Wolkensteine 🏳️🌈
in reply to stux⚡️ • • •Mx. Luna Corbden 🪿🐸
in reply to stux⚡️ • • •There are very few cases where "You're either with us or against us" is true.
This is one because we can demonstrate the mechanism.
Fascists will use anything or anyone to get what they want.
If you're not actively resisting them, you're at least passively their tool.
Mx. Luna Corbden 🪿🐸
in reply to Mx. Luna Corbden 🪿🐸 • • •And yes, there are fascist tools, those who think they're neutral or who sided with fascists out of ignorance rather than core values, and they can certainly be turned to antifa. There are approaches that do not involve accusing them in order to reach them.
But until they're turned, until they stop carrying water for fash, there's nothing wrong with sternly holding them to that when the timing is right.
And often, the timing is right, to say hey, you are working against your own values here to help those who would exterminate me. Stop that.
evrial
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in reply to evrial • • •@evrial there is no in between
If you’re not antifa..
evrial
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stux⚡️
in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •@me I am more pointing at the people are actively against it 😉
Most people would agree without a second thought probably, but the ones vilifying it are the real ones..
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punIssuer
in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •Yes, which is why the logical next step would be to check whether the intention of the name is upheld/reflected by actions
Stephen Dioxide
in reply to stux⚡️ • • •> According to logics
See, this is where you lose people.
schwappo 🇺🇦
in reply to stux⚡️ • • •Toni Aittoniemi
in reply to stux⚡️ • • •Yeah. Most people just want to fall in line behind a king.
Most people are actually like that, and only a minority actually cares about human rights.
But we have this rhetorical justification of the current order that tells people they aren’t doing that. 🤔
EF
in reply to stux⚡️ • • •MusiqueNow 🇵🇸 ✡️
in reply to stux⚡️ • • •Yup
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in reply to stux⚡️ • • •oldfartjmb says FREE PALESTINE
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in reply to stux⚡️ • • •captain acab 🏳️🌈
in reply to stux⚡️ • • •nailed it 💯🎯
sorry about your comment section 🙄
🔞AMBER🔞
in reply to stux⚡️ • • •Very well said, Stux. 😊
#Antifa #IAmAntifa
Kevin Ashworth
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in reply to stux⚡️ • • •G 🇮🇹
in reply to stux⚡️ • • •but I despise them both. I don't need the antifa badge to be anti fascist, you know... that badge with the red flag over the black flag.