I think centralized social media is the reason we fucked up a lot of decentralized social media.
I was thinking earlier about Lemmy, and how when Reddit did their API changes everyone tried to rush to Lemmy. Which would be fine, except everyone tried to just recreate reddit. Everyone tried to make Everything servers. Do we need ten thousand Technology subs? Not really. But people just tried to all make large general purpose instances with all the generic subs. Because they feel like they have to recreate reddit--ALL of them.
Nobody needs to run a Whole Reddit. Something like Lemmy would have been better if 99% of instances were single or limited topic. Keep the scale small, keep the moderation focused and knowledgeable.
I remember checking out Revolt, which is a discord alternative, and I think it has the same scale problem. Discord has three basic levels: channels, servers, and Discord itself which is a collection of servers. Revolt assumes that you don't want to self host a server, you want to self host a Discord. You want to self host All Of Discord. I don't think that's the case for most people! They want to run their one server!
Decentralized social media can't take a centralized approach, you can't try to recreate these horrible giant bloated behemoths but now with less budget and less moderation. You have to relearn to think at a smaller scale, the beauty of decentralization is that we can link all these smaller scale projects together.
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in reply to lori • • •My favorite sub was /r/AskHistorians - aggressively moderated, top comments by vetted experts, its great. Niche subs like that should have their own Lemmy server. Think thehistorychannel.social , omg it would be great. Fuck, I would _pay_ for that.
And by pay I mean I would help pay for the _hosting_ for that.
Florian Judith
in reply to lori • • •Philip Mallegol-Hansen
in reply to lori • • •I think you’re right, and somewhere in here I think there’s an important subtlety: Somewhere along the way it seems like many of us forgot the whole concept of community.
In my recent interactions with teenagers, it feels like everyone wants to be the person with a billion followers. There’s no consideration for who those followers should be and what kind of relationship you should have with them. It’s just “number go up!”
Trivial Einstein
in reply to lori • • •Johanna, CanCon variant
in reply to lori • • •cosigned, all of this! Cosocial began an experiment with a Lemmy server, but quickly found we didn’t have a space for what people seemed to think it should be, the whole “all of Reddit” idea.
Mastodon.social is itself a demonstration of this problem, and its paradigm encouraged things like counter.social, and even Spoutible - clones wanting to be “the new Twitter” and feeling like they needed the “everyone must BE HERE AND HERE ONLY” in order to survive.
Luna
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in reply to lori • • •Peter Toft Jølving
in reply to lori • • •It's really interesting to consider an instance not as a source of identity, but of topic and moderation hereof. How would things differ if you didn't register with a particular instance - you posted to it when the topic and people were right. Instances would be like mailing lists or groups.
Of course, that leaves identity unhandled. In ActivityPub that still requires an instance, so I don't know how different it *can* be, but I really think you got the right idea.
lunchy
in reply to lori • • •>Do we need ten thousand Technology subs? Not really. But people just tried to all make large general purpose instances with all the generic subs. Because they feel like they have to recreate reddit--ALL of them.
yeah idk why there isn't a better way to consolidate all the different "technology", " programming", "memes" boards into combined views
lori
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in reply to lori • • •Yeah, Reddit is the successor to the old usenet groups and quite frankly a lot of games have better communities on Reddit that on their respective official forums. Which is why I still use it, 90% of the subreddits I have joined is for games I play.
For a new network to be able to saddle that responsibility so to speak there has to be some very thought thru adaptations happening.
Chris 🤩 Reinbothe
in reply to lori • • •Erlend Sogge Heggen
in reply to lori • • •I believe a key solution to this is Group-to-Group following:
blog.erlend.sh/transitioning-r…
blog.erlend.sh/openindie/group…
Transitioning /r/rust to the Threadiverse
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in reply to lori • • •this is activitypub by design at this point. Creating a magazine/group is done on a server. Only very large instances will get enough traction that others will follow the group on another instance. So the key problem is that the larger the instance the bigger the groups become, the better the group will spread. And the larger that community.
Until that instance goes down, losing a lot of big communities at once!
It could be partially solved by introducing additional hash tags. But yea
lori
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in reply to lori • • •🌸 Torley 🌸(Comms open)
in reply to lori • • •Part of it to is that decentralized social media is sold as more similar to what's it trying to replace than what it actually is. The usage isn't necessarily 1 to 1 but a lot of people walk into it like it will be the same and are turned off by having to learn and remaster a new way to engage.
I think decentralization should build on its strengths and be more clear and honest about what it is.
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in reply to lori • • •Larry Garfield
in reply to lori • • •I think that's more valid for something like Reddit clones than Twitter clones. I'm on what is nominally a topic-specific server, but my followers/follows are scattered across a hundred servers. "Topics" are far more porous here. What you're choosing is the mod team.
For what is effectively a forum, yes, server-per-topic makes sense, as long as the user-traveling-federation is seamless (as it mostly is on Mastodon).
lori
in reply to Larry Garfield • • •Tim Schatto-Eckrodt
in reply to lori • • •This really shows when you search for any kind topic and get 100s of communities called exactly the same, all with like 9 subscribers. All abandoned of course.
A good counter example is startrek.website that only does Star Trek related stuff
Dave Lane 🇳🇿
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in reply to lori • • •Jonathan Lamothe
in reply to Dobody • •@Dobody @lori See, that's the thing that I like about the fedi. If I don't like a server's policies, I can migrate to another without being totally cut off from my contacts.
These days I self-host, so I don't have to worry so much about disagreements with my admin though. This also would not be an option elsewhere.
Dobody
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