@slothrop nbd. Sometimes people assume I've got an agenda I'm trying to promote by mentioning some topic. I like to find out what it is so I can clarify, and sometimes it helps me make clearer polls in the future.
@mcm_63 yes, that's a browser all right. This poll is more like a yes/no on these particular browsers, rather than "what is the most trustworthy browser", which is hard to do as a multiple choice question.
Tough one, lacking a "none of the above". I voted Vivaldi as they're the least worst of the bunch IMO, but they do carry the taint of Chromium, and any browser maker these days gets a certain degree of suspicion.
trust? It's a big ask. I trust they will do everything within their rights to make the browser moderately safe and pleasant experience. I trust they make sure they stay on top of security patches and roll out features that benefit them more than the user. Complete trust for me, no.
I trust Firefox *today*, but I am extremely worried about Mozilla's trajectory. I fear they could make a series of decisions at any moment that would lose my trust forever, and that there will be zero usable browser engines made by organizations that I trust.
I would not trust any browser made using a browser engine that I don't trust. It's too bad about Vivaldi, which seems like a friendly company, but being proprietary *and* relying on Chromium/Blink is totally disqualifying.
@nicdex I use Safari 90% of the time. I use Firefox the other times when I’m on my gaming PC. If Safari for Windows were still a thing, I’d be using it.
Thanks. I've been a longtime Firefox lover, but I've switched my daily drive to Vivaldi, originally because they have put time and resources into the Fediverse, but now because I like the software. Thanks to everyone who responded!
I like Vivaldi and use it as a second browser. I still daily drive Firefox (despite the questionable moves of their parent) because of inertia and not wanting to concede that chromium won a monopoly on browser engines.
I don't trust any, myself, though I admit to ignorance. Chrome became bad enough that I switched to Safari and Firefox depending on device. Some of the others might deserve trust. I don't trust the two I use, but they have some good features. In particular Apple is unkind to its competitors, and parts of that are very good (like the curate's soft-boiled egg).
Belatedly - now that I think of it - I would have wondered why Tor wasn't one of the four. If trust is the issue I would have thought that was the one. I see a bit of chat in the thread, but less than I expected.
Also - if you're running a browser on an apple tablet or phone, you're just running Safari in a skin. In that case, it's going to be at least as bad as Safari ... Well, I got curious and went to see what Tor says about it- support.torproject.org/tormobi…
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in reply to Capybara :neovim: :arch: • • •@sotneStatue @andrewfeeney Other ActivityPub platforms? I doubt that.
You can see on the Activity Vocabulary section on questions that only positive responses are counted:
w3.org/TR/activitystreams-voca…
The only way I can see to do this in AP is to add a "none of the above" choice. Maybe there are platforms that do that automatically?
Activity Vocabulary
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Is this one of those things like character limits where some instances give you more or even remove that restriction?
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in reply to Evan Prodromou • • •I wish I felt like I could still trust Firefox. )-:
Answered: which of these do I distrust the least.
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in reply to Evan Prodromou • • •the poll question should be: which of these browsers do you distrust the least.
Because that's what using browsers comes down to these days.
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in reply to Evan Prodromou • • •Well, I use Firefox, anyway. So I trust it some.
The ones I would truly trust would be more fringe, open source browsers, but I've used, e.g., Iceweasal, before, and compatibility issues do come up.
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You know that in a multiple choice ActivityPub poll, you can have more votes than voters, right?
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in reply to Evan Prodromou • • •I trust Firefox *today*, but I am extremely worried about Mozilla's trajectory. I fear they could make a series of decisions at any moment that would lose my trust forever, and that there will be zero usable browser engines made by organizations that I trust.
I would not trust any browser made using a browser engine that I don't trust. It's too bad about Vivaldi, which seems like a friendly company, but being proprietary *and* relying on Chromium/Blink is totally disqualifying.
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in reply to Evan Prodromou • • •Either that or a "it's complicated" option 😁
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in reply to Evan Prodromou • • •How about WaterFox, a fork of Mozilla?
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Fast and Private Web Browser
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in reply to Evan Prodromou • • •I don't trust any, myself, though I admit to ignorance. Chrome became bad enough that I switched to Safari and Firefox depending on device. Some of the others might deserve trust. I don't trust the two I use, but they have some good features. In particular Apple is unkind to its competitors, and parts of that are very good (like the curate's soft-boiled egg).
(Systemic problems need systemic solutions.)
Evan Prodromou
in reply to GLC • • •@glc TIL!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curate's…
Curate's egg - Wikipedia
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in reply to Evan Prodromou • • •Belatedly - now that I think of it - I would have wondered why Tor wasn't one of the four. If trust is the issue I would have thought that was the one.
I see a bit of chat in the thread, but less than I expected.
Also - if you're running a browser on an apple tablet or phone, you're just running Safari in a skin. In that case, it's going to be at least as bad as Safari ... Well, I got curious and went to see what Tor says about it-
support.torproject.org/tormobi…
(Worth consideration)
Can I run Tor Browser on an iOS device? | Tor Project | Support
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in reply to Evan Prodromou • • •@me I assume you were trying to reply to the other poll about Democratic politics. Here's the Wikipedia link on Woke.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke
political term
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Jonathan Lamothe
in reply to Evan Prodromou • •@Evan Prodromou Yeah, I did.
I'm aware of the original meaning of the term. It's just how it's become twisted into a negative term that baffles me.