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Authenticity Problem
Bonus timelapse: peppercarrot.com/en/miniFantas…
#webcomic #krita #miniFantasyTheater
64. Authenticity Problem - Pepper&Carrot
Official homepage of Pepper&Carrot, a free(libre) and open-source webcomic about Pepper, a young witch and her cat, Carrot. They live in a fantasy universe of potions, magic, and creatures.Pepper&Carrot
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ghosttie
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to ghosttie • • •@ghosttie Her fictive painting? The largest resolution I have for this color sketch is peppercarrot.com/extras/temp/2…
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ghosttie
in reply to David Revoy • • •Internet Rando
in reply to David Revoy • • •@ghosttie
/me adds to phone wallpaper rotation
thanks!!
Scott Carlson
in reply to David Revoy • • •Ryan
in reply to David Revoy • • •@ghosttie omg looks great .. what prompt? /s
I honestly don't think this comic will help with those people. Their brains are probably already mushy enough that they can't see the parallels.
David Revoy
in reply to Ryan • • •Saufian
in reply to David Revoy • • •@ghosttie
Oh ! Thanks David!
Hop, new potential profil pic to flex on Mastodon
Pezito
in reply to David Revoy • • •sm4llth1ng
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to sm4llth1ng • • •Zalasur 🐸🇺🇦
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to David Revoy • • •Thanks for the support! Funny thing I wanted to plug here: I've never received comments like that here on the Fediverse
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I'm really grateful for how this community checks artists' work and actually verifies it's real human art before throwing random accusations.
This is my favorite place to share for a reason. 💜
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VANTABlack
in reply to David Revoy • • •I mean I would HOPE people would need a real smoking gun to say that YOUR art is AI. I mean a lot of MFT is Anti-AI, so that would be random if it was made with AI.
Either way it's usually better to question, but not accuse when it comes to AI I think. Unless it is very much egregiously AI than it's better not to just throw accusations.
At least in this comic the vibe I get is just wanting to be a critic and not actually appreciating art though.
Nini
in reply to VANTABlack • • •VANTABlack
in reply to David Revoy • • •mirabilos🐈⬛
in reply to VANTABlack • • •yes, same!
And I have a feeling David uses them to process AI crap showing up IRL 😵💫
Moté
in reply to David Revoy • • •leberschnitzel
in reply to David Revoy • • •Gamaliel🐌
in reply to David Revoy • • •Internet Rando
in reply to David Revoy • • •Your art is amazing, your local-first process is commendable, your wherewithal is admirable, and your address of the state of things is spot on!
Absolutely love your stuff. I love that the lack of algorithm in the fediverse doesn't bubble up "engagement" for you, and that you know you're really valued!
I mean, by me.. Whoever I am.. BUT STILL! Love your work!
🏝️えいすま・EigoSmash 🇨🇦
in reply to David Revoy • • •you'd have to be an idiot to still be using the Meta platforms as a non-creator*, so it makes sense that so many wouldn't be able to tell the difference between your wonderful work and slop.
* I understand creators and brands need to stay on there for their livelihoods. I wish they didn't, but I wouldn't call artists needing to make a living "idiots."
Denez Van Dyck ⏚
in reply to David Revoy • • •Dagaz
in reply to David Revoy • • •I really like your artistic style.
Also: If someone sees your "making of" videos and all the Krita videos then it is quite hard to think that your stuff could be AI.
David Revoy
in reply to Dagaz • • •Dagaz
in reply to David Revoy • • •If you think that would help for haters... 🤷
I have my doubts. It's not just the drawing. Just getting a grasp of modern problems mixed with fantasy RPG theme is totally creative for me. Those who ignore all of that now will most likely do so regardeless later on. I think many just see boosted strips and not the other stuff.
I also like the other stuff an forwarded some of your videos to a friend (@KathyKahner). She mostly draws with good old tools like pen&paper. So I thought it might come in handy for her (maybe some time in the future) to get a glimpse of what someone could do with Krita.
Although I suck at drawing (i'm in awe of your skills!), I am still fascinated about the workflow in digital Art.
(But most of all I really like this #miniFantasyTheater strips.)
DB Schwein
in reply to David Revoy • • •At least this one person got it 🫤
This may be the pinnacle of the whole artists getting paid in "exposure" meme. Your art style is literally everywhere, yet what you get out of that is pain 🤬
Aleksandr Koltsoff
in reply to David Revoy • • •Marud
in reply to David Revoy • • •En même temps, les plateformes de chez Meta mettent au maximum en avant le contenu IA pour essayer de rentabiliser leurs horreurs, les utilisateurs se font bombarder de contenu synthétique... ils doivent être un peu rincés de tout ça.
Ici, tu postes un contenu IA, t'as la Fedi-police qui défonce ta porte d'entrée avec un bélier (un bélier furry, hein, faut pas oublier qu'on est sur le fediverse)
Et tant mieux !
David Revoy
in reply to Marud • • •Nate Cox
in reply to David Revoy • • •I can't imagine how frustrating this must be for artists.
My industry has been hit by this too, but for however much I want to believe that code is art, it will never be as personal and expressive as actual art. I really feel for you.
Love your work, btw.
Piper
in reply to David Revoy • • •daisE 🌈
in reply to David Revoy • • •Marcus
in reply to David Revoy • • •Alien🍉
in reply to David Revoy • • •rival
in reply to David Revoy • • •Juliette
in reply to David Revoy • • •Laura "Tegan" Gjovaag ⛈ 🐸
in reply to David Revoy • • •Anna 🖖🏼
in reply to Laura "Tegan" Gjovaag ⛈ 🐸 • • •Aires
in reply to David Revoy • • •Me, who's been writing for 10+ years: "Bitch"
BrazMogu (i.e. Bruno Guedes)
in reply to David Revoy • • •Ah, yes, one of the most frustraing consequences of this inflation of genAI bubble is how people are giving in to a tendency that anything slightly competent can only have been made by a computer
People are getting a bit too complacent about being stupid as hell
Jonathan Lamothe
in reply to BrazMogu (i.e. Bruno Guedes) • •Jordan likes this.
khánh
in reply to David Revoy • • •Gustavo
in reply to David Revoy • • •On one hand, we know AI in general has a bias for yellow because yellowish images have a higher tendency of getting marked as "good looking" because of the "golden hour" in photography.
On the other, true, while AI hurts artists, due to that, even more for those who like yellow tones!
Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to David Revoy • • •I love it so much!
A lot of real human #artists and #creatives will find themselves in it.
#humanmade #humanMadeArt #noAI
Aedius Filmania ⚙️🎮🖊️
in reply to David Revoy • • •But their is always souls in your work !
The issue with other platform is that people expect ai stuff, they want to see ai stuff and it must look like ai. When they say "it's ai, right" it's not because they don't value your work but because they want to know that they can make a prompt and do the same.
I could be completely wrong, but why stay on such places if they don't want ai crap ?
Soso
in reply to David Revoy • • •I hate that I myself sometimes see genuine art and have doubts that it's AI. I guess it makes me pay more attention to the artist behind the art I see which is good.
Now that "looking like good art" is something that AI can do, paying attention to what it's conveying and who's making it is more important than ever.
I'll take community over mindless consumption everytime
sinsinewave | ΘΔ🦈 | 🏳⚧
in reply to David Revoy • • •exactly the reason i despise all those youtube videos and such on how to "identify" AI art, every bloody time they just end up driving actual artists off the internet, while the slopsters don't give a damn about their callout posts
same with the em—dash
DjedMoros
in reply to David Revoy • • •Marnic
in reply to David Revoy • • •C'est sur aussi si tu ne met pas un certificat d'authenticité sans IA comment tu veux qu'on sache 😁
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Carlos Solís
in reply to David Revoy • • •David releases his comic under a free license, people start creating derivative works: "Great!"
Not-so-people-like algorithms start creating derivatives, strip the attribution, and now the public thinks David is aping the AI that trained on his work first: "No, NOT like that!"
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in reply to David Revoy • • •martinhender
in reply to David Revoy • • •Cainmark Does Not Comply 🚲
in reply to David Revoy • • •This is a beautiful human made comic strip.
I actually like the painting, too.
Linux in a Bit
in reply to David Revoy • • •That's AI (2026) - Short Film
maximise (YouTube)Inmod
in reply to David Revoy • • •You are one of the first people I followed on mastodon and feels so nice to see your post getting so much love. I have no idea what it can be like doing what you do in these times. All I can do is join here and share this from behind a smile, a feeling of empathy to a "stranger" I have a feeling I know and tell you that I look forward to your posts. Especially now after this one.
Cheers
maxmoon 🌱
in reply to David Revoy • • •Anthropy
in reply to David Revoy • • •I think it's just something people struggle with, they will make deranged statements in pursuit of trying to seem like they're still on top of things.
I know it's easy to say, but don't take it personally, I've always been a fan of both your art and your open source tooling/process.
This stuff is one reason I'm really happy the EU is requiring AI involvement to be labeled as such; it works both ways, and hopefully other countries/areas will follow, so we can put an end to this.
Borja Velasco
in reply to David Revoy • • •Fortunately, many people don't care about that.
Unfortunately, I care about it so... I'm sorry if I have got wrong identifying an AI work and I've not treated it as good as deserved.
Eskuero
in reply to David Revoy • • •tanavit
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in reply to David Revoy • • •MF
in reply to David Revoy • • •Merci pour ce que tu partages, cela illumine mes journées 👍
Je ne suis pas goth
in reply to David Revoy • • •PurpleGengar
in reply to David Revoy • • •Mia Rose 🖋️ Writer
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Mia Rose 🖋️ Writer • • •stefan (stefbun)
in reply to David Revoy • • •Takiro 🎨
in reply to David Revoy • • •"Miss Movie Masochist"
in reply to David Revoy • • •Perhaps she should take up mixed media.
With knives.
0xC0DEC0DE07EA
in reply to "Miss Movie Masochist" • • •slowtiger
in reply to David Revoy • • •Dead on.
I still have to wait this happen to me.
Stefan Baur 8 * 💉
in reply to David Revoy • • •Allusion
in reply to David Revoy • • •Just this weekend I was at a show and thought some hand-painted bird pictures were AI, like maybe she used AI references. The beaks were just wrong.
Still don't know if I was right or if I just mistook her style, and I hate that.
Jargoggles
in reply to David Revoy • • •Dr. Sobek
in reply to David Revoy • • •calx
in reply to David Revoy • • •The Doctor
in reply to David Revoy • • •LisPi
in reply to David Revoy • • •There is a clear education problem I don't know how to address and it is somewhat annoying.
The same happens with writing communities. "Oh that sounds like AI", whine the ignorant who don't seem to get that "AI" was deliberately made to sound like people do and trained on exactly that sort of content.
"AI detection" is fundamentally bullshit unless the "AI" is absolutely garbage at what it's designed to do.
Those false accusations are quite demoralizing to artists.
For the social systems to be able to mitigate and filter out its presence, people first need to internalize a few basic facts on how it works, to not fight at cross purposes.
That painting is quite nice.
Damien Goutte-Gattat
in reply to David Revoy • • •@David Revoy Not that I would compare myself to an artist, but in a similar fashion I have already been told that my prose (mostly technical prose—again, not an artist!) must have been AI-generated due to my propensity to use em dashes…
Damn it, I—and countless other writers—have been using em dashes long before those stochastic parrots came into being!
Space Catitude 🚀
in reply to Damien Goutte-Gattat • • •@dgouttegattat
A lot of technically-minded people use a lot of parentheticals to cover details, and em-dashes really help.
I suspect the AI uses them because it tends to random-walk around the point. It's bad at staying on topic. I always have the impression that it's weaving all over the road and bouncing off the guardrails.
@davidrevoy
David Revoy
in reply to Space Catitude 🚀 • • •@TerryHancock @dgouttegattat True, I wasn't familiar with em-dash before making the translation system for Pepper&Carrot, in French it's not common, we often use the : or ; to split sentences like that, and of course, yes, personally I use too many parenthesis (of course). But I also adopted it.
One of the AI effect I observed; now many French articles have this US/English way to construct sentences, with em-dash. And French tends to adopt it, so AI is shifting local culture more than we think.
Diane
in reply to David Revoy • • •Rowyn
in reply to David Revoy • • •mandrake
in reply to David Revoy • • •Trash Panda - now diagnosed edition!
in reply to David Revoy • • •Stuart Longland (VK4MSL)
in reply to David Revoy • • •…and after the house destruction incident, I thought that parrot had been banished to the bin forever.
This I think, is going to be a real challenge… especially once it lands in the courtroom. Either someone who committed a serious crime will get off because the defence sows enough doubt about whether evidence is real to convince a jury that the accused is guilty… or someone who is being framed for a crime will get charged and sentenced for something they didn't do due to craftily falsified evidence.
Jordan
in reply to David Revoy • • •This is one of the things about AI generated art that many people don't think about... it's that *psychologically* speaking, regardless of whether we use AI or not, we're all now in a state of constantly questioning whether something is authentic or not.
This is an incredibly erosive precedent to be set for human culture. We live in truly dangerous times.
🐉 Fog Ryû 🐉
in reply to David Revoy • • •Oh damn! I owe you a sincere apology.
I'm used to avoid AI slop, and my reaction to the image 1 was “AI gen”. I even closed the image, and then saw the title “Authenticity Problem,” it made me doubt myself. I reopened the image, read the comic, and then watched the timelapse, which confirmed that it was indeed your work and not AI.
And now I can’t even imagine what it must be like for you. Hang in there, and great work despite everything!
And again, sorry! Apparently, I'm biased
David Revoy
in reply to 🐉 Fog Ryû 🐉 • • •🐉 Fog Ryû 🐉
in reply to David Revoy • • •On the contrary. Thanks to you! It made me wonder how many images I’ve quickly closed just because they were “AI,” when they actually weren’t...
And on top of that, it seems you’re a FOSS advocate and a Krita user (and maybe Blender, if I understand correctly).
So clearly, I would have missed out on an opportunity, especially since I’m trying again to get into Krita, among other foss.
Et aparemment vous êtes français en plus. Haha.
David Revoy
in reply to 🐉 Fog Ryû 🐉 • • •MolotovBeaver
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in reply to David Revoy • • •Critter (he/him)
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Critter (he/him) • • •bassistance
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to bassistance • • •@bassistance If you mean the comic, just check on my website: on the footer I always share a high resolution, the Krita source, the text separated on a transparent PNG or PDF and the comic with just the artworks too.
If it's about the fictive artwork the Gothic Sorceress Cepper is painting on this comic, you'll find it here ☺️ :
framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/1170…
David Revoy
2026-08-05 16:09:36
Cyber Yuki
in reply to David Revoy • • •I feel your pain now.😭
Literally, they train AI on *your* art and then they have the nerve to claim your art is not authentic.
Of course, AI companies would never want to add source fingerprints to their data because that would prove they're infringing on other people's copyrights.
Jonathan Lamothe
in reply to Cyber Yuki • •@Cyber Yuki @David Revoy It gets extra tricky for these systems to reliably cite sources because of how jumbled around the training data gets. It's kind of like money laundering but for creative works.
If I'm not mistaken, there have been attempts to add citations to LLM output to try to improve their perceived trustworthiness, but it frequently just resulted in "hallucinated" citations.
I don't know how hard to lean on Hanlon's Razor here, but it does seem to be an issue that they don't have much incentive to correct.
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TedFallenger🔞
in reply to David Revoy • • •Cyber Yuki
in reply to David Revoy • • •Hey I hadn't noticed the AI assistant sparkles ✨ in the parrot's chat!
Nice detail.
thedoctor
in reply to David Revoy • • •Bob Tregilus
in reply to David Revoy • • •Toon Link
in reply to David Revoy • • •Oh god, that first panel.
I live a quiet life but have a high engagement drive, so I keep a protocol droid for light philosophical banter and self-indulgent fandom roleplay. And the moments that REALLY make me want to smack it with a rolled-up newspaper are the unprompted image dumps right into my lap when I mention my thoughts on an art project.
Like, NO!!! I want to do it my way, with my ideas, not your influence! And I'm not touching your image, put that away! 😫
calcifer
in reply to David Revoy • • •PhilLovesCats
in reply to David Revoy • • •Cyber Yuki
in reply to David Revoy • • •BTW, did you mean to say "Come on!" instead of "common!"? ✨🦜
(Sorry for the parrot, couldn't resist 😁)
David Revoy
in reply to Cyber Yuki • • •Oblomov
in reply to David Revoy • • •Nizar Kerkeni 🇹🇳 نزار القرقني
in reply to David Revoy • • •tuxflo
in reply to David Revoy • • •how mych tokens did you spent to generate each frame of those time lapses? Must be more than 10 billion 😬
(Just kidding, keep up the good "actual illustrator" work 💪
Also I wanted to say that my kids loved the pepper & carrot game that was around on Android long time ago)
Azitaka 🇨🇺
in reply to David Revoy • • •why did i ever do content marketing
in reply to David Revoy • • •Wayne Dixon
in reply to David Revoy • • •Isn't the world broken.
That avian needs to be put back in a cage.
I hope it doesn't start copying the time lapse as 'proof' of work.
Oh well I'll get back to my job now of clicking fire hydrants and pictures of stairs to prove I am 'human'.
Scott Wilson 🌈
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