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So I found a tactic that's working in my YouTube comments- thought I'd share.

If someone complains that a software I recommended is "woke", I ask them "what does that mean? Can you say more about that?"

They never say more. They delete their comment instead.

My tactic is to make them say what they mean. They won't.

Because they're cowards.

in reply to Veronica Explains

Them: "Debian is too woke"
Me: "what does that even mean? What part of Debian are you referring to?"
Them: [self-destructs]

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Someone said I was censoring conservatives by [checks notes] asking what they mean.

So I asked them to describe how asking questions was censorship, and... they deleted the comment!

It's almost like they're afraid to say it.

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in reply to Veronica Explains

They're parrots. They have no idea why they're saying what they're saying, they just see others like Trump and Musk say it and instinctively have to say it too.
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Asking people what they mean is 75% of a software engineer's job. If commenters don't know that or can't stand the existential horror of it, they maybe should stay away from videos about computer stuff altogether.
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FWIW I do occasionally ban folks from commenting on the channel, mostly when they're using violent rhetoric or objectifying me (or others). For the most part those comments get sent to the "holding area" thanks to word matches, where I can then ban folks without anyone seeing the comment.

Zero tolerance for assholes.

in reply to Veronica Explains

My tactic (verbal) is to be my inner child and keep asking, "Why?"

If it drives parents crazy, it should work with fascist morons.

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yeah, stupid people have never been rare, but I think the contemporary firehose-of-soundbytes meme culture has engendered a vast pool of chronically overstimulated folks who honestly have *no idea* why they believe any of the things they believe, and have no tools to even begin addressing the question.

When the only cases in your switch statement are "I agree" or "I'm mad", being asked to define yourself is probably one of those divide-by-zero things that just leads to a kernel panic.

in reply to Veronica Explains

This is comment Judo, where you use their momentum against themselves!
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Weird how the "I'm just asking questions!" crowd doesn't like being asked a question.
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Reminds me of a Twitter exchange where a woman complained to a brand about supporting BLM and they kept asking what her issue with Bureau of Land Management was. She kept responding that they knew what she meant but refused to elaborate.
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You may well have rediscovered the ancient Socratic method of using questions to force people to think for themselves!
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I feel reasonably confident in guessing they want a reaction (preferably a fight), not a response.

I also have to wonder if this is of a piece with those folks who regard "asking for clarification" as aggressive. An especially tedious behavior in supervisors. (I've heard two unrelated reports of this nonsense lately, & I have to wonder if it is becoming a thing.)

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in reply to Veronica Explains

I bet you could do an informative and extremely funny video about wake-on-LAN.
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@eksb Paging @mac84tv and his awesome "Woke-on-LAN" gear!

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in reply to Veronica Explains

Haha yess! I hope you got one of my Woke-on-LAN stickers at the show! They went FAST!
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What I love is that there is some true honesty in asking them to elaborate.
On most occasions when a person uses 'woke' to describe something, the wokeee will genuinely not really know what the person is specifically criticising. So to ask them to explain is quite honest but with a little side dish of a troll-ette which is a perfect combination.
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@codebuzz Can you summarize these concerns for me? I'm not going to watch an entire video about this
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TLDR; it's a counterpoint, which was actually made by Debian themselves.
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@codebuzz

They want to treat registered sex offenders as outcasts forever β€”Did a sex offender write that code? Ew, avoid that software. Is a sex offender giving a software talk? You are unsafe in that room.

More FUD from shills of Microsoft, which is in its death throes. Trying to smear FOSS contributors. (like RMS?)

People who can't stand a bit of controversy, who are led by media, by partial quotes taken out of context, shouldn't join any movement that goes against incumbent powers. 🐧

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one of my favorite things in all of tech is how Debian has managed to survive for so long with the very democratic style of government they have. It isn’t always perfect, but it’s a lot more like the Star Trek:TNG future I thought we were heading for.
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I've been thinking and now I get it.
You don't need to buy it, or subscribe to it. You don't have to have an account or give permission to share your data with our few selected partners. You don't need to repurchase it every time it's updated and you don't need a new CPU for a latest update. You don't even need to buy a special computer to run it.
AND THATS WOKE!!!1!!one
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why you reply bots anyway? Just ignore and save some ttime to spent in more productive things like li'l linux lessons....
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@v_raton they aren't bots. These are human beings. I'm asking them questions. If it makes them think that's a good thing.
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@Veronica Explains @Dev Albino People can be deprogrammed. It's not easy, but it can be done.* The best way to do it is to break the thought-stopping patterns that have generally been imposed on them. This seems like a really effective way to do it.

* I know this from first hand experience.

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I like to ask people what they don't like about "wokeness" Is it the treating people with humanity or the compassion they don't like?

Sometimes I change it up with a "Oh no! I don't want to be woke! How much intolerance should I have before I'm no longer woke?"

Nobody has ever responded to these questions.

in reply to Veronica Explains

Seems similar to the strategy of saying "I don't get the joke" when someone makes a bigoted joke!
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ive never understood why "woke" is supposed to be an insult. Its literally the opposite of asleep/oblivious.

People are idiots unfortunately.

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I decided recently that arbitrarily labelling people or things as "woke" is nothing more than a modern variation on lazily throwing about a "communist" label.

As in it's not enough to just say there's people or policies they don't agree with or having preferences, it needs to sound like an "insult" either by adopting an existing word or making one up.

Along with "libtard", "leftist" and a bunch of other words they can't articulate when challenged on explaining their reasoning.

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@thejikz It’s not because they’re cowards as much as it’s because they don’t know what they mean because they heard it from a person or organization that does their thinking for them.
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what exactly means woke in context of software. I really dont get it and am curious.
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I would expect them to never reply but I didn't think they'd delete the comment. Interesting.
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many are just repeating other people's talking points, so i don't think they speak from conviction. this question can help deprogram whatever's going on there.
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Because they don't know what it means.

To them, it's like telling you the product is shit. They're parroting cult talking points.

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What the hell is β€œwoke” software? Either it is well suited to your task or it isn’t.
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agreed. I often ask for examples when I encounter pronouncements.
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...or they don't actually fucking KNOW what it's supposed to mean, they just hear it on MAGAnews...
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same thing happens to friends/acquaintances of mine who share β€žshockβ€œ or β€žhorrorβ€œ news items with me that have a racist or fearmongering undertone. I ask them why they are sharing this news item with me, and what their view on the story is. Usually they don’t reply back…
in reply to Veronica Explains

"so which views aren't allowed to be spoken on that project's mailing list?"
"oh, you know, the ones..."
in reply to Veronica Explains

You know that this comments on Youtube are personalised? So you see only cowards because this can change your world view. Just do not read them...
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@ibrahim_cris I don't understand what you mean by this. I post YouTube videos and see all the comments. It's not personalized.
in reply to Veronica Explains

Suspect the whole woke thing everyone fell for was a distraction, to get elected, and the Misinformed Angry Gullible Arseholes(MAGA) fell for it.
in reply to Veronica Explains

Years ago, I got into it with someone at work for saying β€œAll lives matter.” I asked if, since all lives matter, doesn’t that mean that Black lives matter? He agreed but couldn’t bring himself to say it without saying β€œβ€¦but all lives matter.” Finally I asked if he was willing to say β€œBlack lives matter as much as white lives.” He stammered and looked embarrassed. Waved his hand and said I was trying to make him look bad. Good illustration of what β€œall lives matter” really meant, though.
in reply to Veronica Explains

They won't say, because woke means being aware of and against systematic oppression. Someone who defended their client said that was what woke meant using lots of liberty to do so.

I doubt anyone wants to admit that is why.

in reply to Veronica Explains

I have wake on LAN set, so technically a lot of the time, my linux is woke
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What DO they mean??? Is it code for POC or gay people worked on it, or what?
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in reply to Twotired

@Twotired I literally don't know because every time I've asked for more information they don't respond or delete their comment.
in reply to Veronica Explains

I think everyone deserves to subscribe to the ideology, philosophy, or religion of their choice. It would be tremendously efficient if they would just plainly state in their bios which ones they subscribe to. For example, people could just state "subscriber to Critical Race Theory, adherent of Bell Hooks"
in reply to Veronica Explains

We know EXACTLY what "woke" means.

In the name of "fighting wokeness," Republicans have been banning thousands of books all over the country, including several award-winning books famous for explaining to children why the Holocaust was a bad thing.

So when they say "woke" they mean "not a Nazi."

And just like that, you know both why it makes them so mad and why they don't want to explain it.

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@redti you sound bothered
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This tactic was used successfully by teachers & librarians in Florida.

When parents were asking them about the teaching of Critical Race Theory, teachers would ask, "What part of the syllabus are you talking about?"

Most of the time, the parents didn't know what CRT was. They were just repeating talking-points & trigger-words that they had been told to ask about.

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I can see why they would delete such comments: Fox "News" seems to use "woke" as a general insult devoid of meaning. Once they realize that (a) all they meant was "I don't like it", and (b) how much effort it would take to explain why they don't like it, they delete the comment rather than spending hours trying to critique some software that they couldn't figure out how to use.
Besides, maybe they don't want to admit to watching Fox News.

metafilter.com/199618/200-thin…

in reply to Veronica Explains

but, but, don't you think being bigoted is cool? πŸ₯Ί

Absolute fucking clowns, 🀑 when the real world strikes they can't face it.

in reply to Veronica Explains

Great idea. Like asking people to explain something tasteless or offensive they claim is a joke
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Veronica Explains

@redti @cavyherd can you define these terms in a way that doesn't require a sociology degree?

(I have a sociology degree, btw, I'm playing around)

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@redti
I know I'm going to regret this question, but: What does that even mean?
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in reply to Veronica Explains

Yeah, same, thank you. No sociology degree here, but I count myself reasonably well educated, & I find all those buzzwords disembodied from their practical referrents to be, shall we say, less than compelling.
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Jonathan Lamothe
@redti It is worth noting that this is a very common tactic: deliberately using opaque language to attempt to confuse one's critics into submission and then claiming victory by default.
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Jonathan Lamothe

@redti How are "cancel actions" supposed to "expose" this?

How are the people who are saying, for instance, that the LGBTQIA+ community should be allowed to exist the ones who are causing division, and not the group who are trying to exterminate them?

in reply to Veronica Explains

This was my tactic for dealing with sexism at work when I first started as an engineer! It works really well.
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Veronica Explains

@redti

What is "my movement?" If you're critical of it surely you can define it using my own words. You seem learned enough.

@cavyherd

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@redti show me where I called myself a "dem".

If you can't defend your dissertation, walk away from the committee.

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@redti What exactly did I misunderstand? You seem to like speaking in vague generalizations.

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