Today I was asked how long it would take me to break into a typical house. Turns out it's about 20 seconds* for most of the "typical" locks I tested.
*occasionally a lock is just stubborn and takes much longer (despite being a normally trivial make/model). The whole reason we *can* pick locks is because of the random imperfections in the manufacturing process. Once in a while the stars align and those manufacturing imperfections work against us, making even a shitty laminated Master lock "naughty bucket" worthy.
(videos in the thread)
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@deviantollam So, letโs say weโre in an action movie and you need to pick some run-of-the-mill standard doorknob to save the day. How long roughly does it take you?
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in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •It looks like you use way more than me to great effect!!!!
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in reply to Ciรกn • • •@Cian currently, I recommend the Red Team Tools' starter kit and book. I know @deviantollam personally, and his team makes good stuff (also it has my favorite turning tools in it).
I also recommend some of the gear from Sparrowsโspecifically the Dark Shift set and their heavy prybar turning tools.
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in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •what if you put them on? can you free urself?
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Unknown parent • • •@GarretSidzaka I used to use a light touch until Bill taught me the virtues of bullying a lock.
I still don't use quite as much pressure as he does, but I have upped my turning force a bit these days. ๐๐
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in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •"I reject your lock authority and eject your entire tumbler set" ๐คฃ
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in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •@me fast and controlled movements. I cycle between flat, rising, falling, elliptical, and rocking strokes.
Basically you're making wild guesses at a lottery number.
Are all the digits similar? 34334
Do they generally get bigger as the go? 23357
Do they start big and get smaller? 76532
Do they form a hump or valley shape? 02321, 65457
Because of the max difference limit between adjacent cuts, you won't get anything like 07070.
So one of those patterns will be "close enough" to the bitting of the key. When combined with tension that makes "set" pins more likely to stay set, and given enough "tries" at the right pattern, many locks will pop right open.
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Unknown parent • • •I notice the ones you demonstrated are all key locks. Are combination locks just as easy?
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in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •by request: a combo lock. I sped up the middle part by 4x; original video length was 1:16.
For each wheel, "not in a gate" feels grindy, "in a false gate" has a little wiggle, and "in a true gate" has more wiggle. On many combo locks, you can feel the shackle drop a fraction of a millimeter when you hit a gate, which makes it easier to tell, but also means you often have to release some tension to get out of false gates.
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Unknown parent • • •@dedicto @thomascoven I'm suddenly reminded of how I was teased at school, someone would unlock my front dial, and re-lock it upside down... then they tell me I was too stupid to lock it right side up.
ugh. It was them, no doubt about it. I am obsessed about not being teased, I would NEVER leave that lock upside down.
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in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •@FeloniousPunk, /me installs 100 locks on a single door. Problem solved!
Hmm, unless you can do it in parallelโฆ
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Unknown parent • • •I've read the disc detained cores are much harder to pick. That's why I got the bike lock I did and the lock on the front security door.
The abus granit certain is heavy... I have not used it that much because of that. Too heavy...
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in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Sometimes you donโt even need to pick the lock. I rented a flat when I moved to Cambridge. Iโd been there a few weeks when I popped out for snacks and, within seconds of closing the door, realised Iโd not picked up my key. Turned around, reached in through the letterbox, and opened the door. Ten seconds between realising I didnโt have a key and being back in the house.
The locks on my house are not there to prevent people from breaking in, they are for tamper evidence. Itโs easier to smash a window than pick the lock. Most house insurance is valid only in cases of forced entry, so you want thieves to do some visible damage on the way in.
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Unknown parent • • •I think bringing you over here to open a door would be more expensive than replacing the door
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Unknown parent • • •You might have to get LPL's special tool and have a go at an Abloy Protec Classic.
Time for a Youtube challenge!
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in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • •@๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) @FeloniousPunk I'm very new to locksport and at present only have the one lock to work on. Maybe (probably) it's an inexperience thing, but I find that my open times are still pretty inconsistent on the same lock. Usually I have it open in under a minute, but sometimes I start questioning if I've broken the mechanism in the lock because I have such a hard time with it. (It's always fine with the key.)
Also, as a side note, I've never successfully opened it with a rake, even though that's supposed to be easier than single pin picking.
Are either of these things normal?
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in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •I worked as a locksmith during my college years. I spent a lot of time in stock room before becoming a full locksmith. I used to check the bitting on the padlocks and set aside the really nasty ones.
I had one on my tool chest that was almost un-pickable because it was like 58191 on the key. The boys would come through and try to pick it as a prank and had no luck.
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Unknown parent • • •Jonathan Lamothe
Unknown parent • •@๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) No code, but TIL that the biting can be represented numerically.
From the feel of the pins when I do pick it, I suspect that there is what I think you mean by "zero lift" toward the back.
At any rate, I think I like single pin picking better anyway.* It gives me a better feel for what's going on inside the lock.
* with my whole three days of hands-on experience. ๐
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Unknown parent • • •Just about everyone here on night shift are effectively locksmiths. What else are we going to do all night, either watching movies or picking locks...
Longspeak
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Unknown parent • • •Weird. Your cool shades emoji doesn't show on my phone app.
Edit: NM. Just took a while to load.
dallo
Unknown parent • • •Bolt cutter for smaller one and battery powered angle grinder is indeed what I used. Around 30s to cut a U bike lock like the kryptonite in the video.
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Until โฆ
my transparent training locks arrived today from AliExpress, and I spotted this in the instructions:
๐คช
#locksport
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in reply to Voracious Reader • • •@lnlyisol ๐ I'll turn in my lockpicking cred and show myself out...
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in reply to Voracious Reader • • •@lnlyisol Iโll lead this with noting I work in the sort of security where I defend against the most effective route to entry and not the most covert
That being said, the $30 pair of bolt cutters from the hardware store sure does open all those locks in 1-2 seconds
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in reply to Nico, Warlock of Memes • • •@nico I used to carry bolt-cutters, but my friends stopped saying, "just let yourself in", so I switched back to lockpicks.
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