@ticho The problem becomes "who isn't"?

Like, I know Andy Yen is leaning heavily into AI Psychosis which will inherently and ironically make the thing Proton exists on: security, less secure. And WHEN they have an incident due to this, Proton is gone. Over. Done. Andy is an idiot in a suit and it's obvious.

But is there another option? Ironically, handling your own e-mail server is extremely difficult due to the political safety layer and insecure for nearly everyone. What's better?

@closeted_unionist
I'm kind of between proton and tuta right now. Tuta is useable, but you need to pay a couple Euros month for anything about the very basics (like search!) google etc has really conditioned us (me) to expect things for free, backed by surveillance.

I actually started to move because there's an annoying bug they don't care to fix, ironically.

And I can 95% recommend addy.io if you're lazy to run your own domain stuff.

@_elena

@sebastian so I read reports by people who used a free account for a month and then did not pay that aliases ALLEGEDLY still work, even when plans expire. Still, I want to create a personal system where I do not rely on one big company for such a key feature.

I'm happy I never used ProtonDrive and ProtonPass, that's for sure.

@paulk I strongly recommend not tying your password manager to anything else. It doesn't have to be an offline password manager but it should be separate from your email, office suite, etc service. I have read horror stories of people being locked out of their Google, Apple, etc accounts for random (or legitimate) reasons. If this account also houses your passwords then you're really out of luck.

I use a mix of KeePassXC and a cloud-based password manager service.

@_elena

@ngel I'm waiting to see how Proton reacts to this catastrophic, reputation-destroying story. If Yen and the AI-pilled CTO step down, I may consider sticking around. My unlimited plan renews in May.

For the time being I am changing my "from" email address and using a custom domain name to make the transition easier... I'm also looking at Tuta (where I already have an account)

My new approach vis-à-vis transitioning away from #Proton (in a slow way) - cont':

For every new email that comes in that uses one of my Proton email addresses (or aliases), I am making changes, updating the email address for that account (if it's shopping/newsletter/admin) or I am notifying the sender that going forward my default email address will be the one associated to my domain name.

It's a pain, but it's long overdue.

Yeah, why can’t we have nice things? Or at least companies with a moral compass. 😐

Related to your post, what do you do with hide-my-e-mail aliases? Because I use those instead of +aliases for al sorts of things like shopping and newsletters.

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@switchingsoftware

@aerion it's a real nightmare, indeed. I moved to Proton 6 years ago in an effort to DeGooglify. This development has been really upsetting.

Honestly if they get rid of their CEO and the CTO I may stick around... it seems that engineers have their heart in the right place, putting an emphasis on hand-written code and caution.

Otherwise my paid plan lasts for another 6 months and I will slowly transition away from it.

I think that if you cancel before the end of your plan, you can get a pro rata refund.

But I also thought that closing my accent in a knee-jerk reaction is probably a bit premature, in case there's such a backlash that they might change course. Unlikely, by the look of things, but user power can affect change.

Still, this does 𝘯𝘰𝘵 look good…