So my project where I'm trying to reverse engineer the charm stat in @SDF.ORG's Legion of the Rare Dragoon game has had some progress and some setbacks. I'm keeping a record of my in-game "purchases" along with my charm stat at the time to see how my charm affects my discount rate. I'm then building a table to try to project an estimated discount rate at various different charm levels.

Where I've succeeded: being able to automatically compute an equation that perfectly fits the collected data.

Where I've failed: The resulting discount table looks reasonable up until it gets to charm levels larger than the ones I've already recorded. Then it gets real whacky real quick.

I'm hoping that as I gather more data points, I'll end up with better predictions.

#emacs #lisp

Edit: Here's the calculated table: codeberg.org/jlamothe/lord-cha…

Sean Riley reshared this.

So I'm working on an #OrgMode document that's probably about 2/3 #emacs #lisp code. I'm planning on releasing it shortly, but I'm not sure what to do about the licensing. Normally I use the #AGPL for my code, but since this isn't strictly code, I'm wondering if some version of the #CreativeCommons license might be a better fit. Do they have a #copyleft variant?

Just spent a day and a half hunting down a bug that was making me question my sanity. As it turns out, #emacs #lisp's / function silently drops the decimal in its result if both of its inputs are integers... so (/ 1 2) evaluates to 0, not 0.5. Granted, this is also the way that C does it, but in my defense, #CommonLisp does not do this.
in reply to Jonathan Lamothe

As a first approximation, I suggest thinking of Emacs Lisp as closer to MacLisp than to Common Lisp.

A precise description of "closer" would be fairly long.
For example, Emacs Lisp acquired things like bignums and lexical bindings fairly late.

Again as an approximation, the descendancies are:
MacLisp → Emacs Lisp
MacLisp and others → Common Lisp
(Those others include, in alphabetical order, Interlisp, Scheme, Zeta Lisp, etc., but not Emacs Lisp.)

And then an important aspect of these approximations is the `cl' package, also a late addition that evolved quite a bit.

Transferring knowledge about C to Emacs Lisp is rather tricky, even though the implementation of a part of Emacs (including the Emacs Lisp virtual machine) is written in C.

#CommonLisp
#Elisp
#Emacs
#EmacsLisp

@me

in reply to Jonathan Lamothe

yup of course, but that's integer math, not floating point math

GNU Clisp and SBCL don't show decimals for integer division, but return fractions instead!

* (/ 1 2)
1/2

But of course if you use floating point representation for the parameters then the result is a floating point number as expected:
[1]> (/ 1.0 2.0)
0.5

Elisp, with floating point parameters, also works as expected:
(/ 1.0 2.0)
0.5

In C, with IEEE 754 double values, then 1.0/2.0 = 0.50, exactly, no rounding or epsilon comparison needed.

Are there any #Lisp programmers out there who use a #ScreenReader? Given how messy Lisp can be to read without proper indentation (which I imagne wouldn't translate well on a screen reader) I can't see it is being an easy language to work in without being able to see it.

I've been thinking about a way to make an editor that lets you explore a Lisp program by walking through the forms in the program in a manner similar to the way one might navigate in a MUD. Is this a crazy idea, or one with some merit?

in reply to Jonathan Lamothe

Seemingly plain (lambda () ...) is a macro that expands to (function (lambda () ...)). #'(lambda () ...) uses a reader macro to expand to the same (function (lambda () ...)).

clhs.lisp.se/Body/m_lambda.htm

Function is a special operator that returns a function. It takes either a function name or a lambda expression. The second case is what is happening here.

clhs.lisp.se/Body/s_fn.htm#fun…

A lambda expression is a list of the symbol lambda, a lambda list, and a body.

clhs.lisp.se/Body/26_glo_l.htm…

elisp
God, my tab completion function is a hacky mess:
(defun lambdamoo-tab-complete ()
  "Complete user input using text from the buffer"
  (interactive)
  (when (memq (char-before) '(?  ?\r ?\n ?\t ?\v))
    (user-error "Point must follow non-whitespace character"))
  (let (replace-start
        (replace-end (point))
        replace-text found-pos found-text)
    (save-excursion
      (backward-word)
      (setq replace-start (point)
            replace-text (buffer-substring replace-start replace-end))
      (when (or (null lambdamoo--search-text)
                (not (string-prefix-p lambdamoo--search-text replace-text t)))
        (setq-local lambdamoo--search-text replace-text)
        (set-marker lambdamoo--found-point (point)))
      (goto-char lambdamoo--found-point)
      (unless
          (setq found-pos
                (re-search-backward
                 (concat "\\b" (regexp-quote lambdamoo--search-text))
                 (point-min) t))
        (setq-local lambdamoo--found-point (make-marker))
        (user-error "No match found"))
      (set-marker lambdamoo--found-point found-pos)
      (forward-word)
      (setq found-text (buffer-substring found-pos (point))))
    (delete-region replace-start replace-end)
    (insert found-text)))

#emacs #lisp #moo #mud #LambdaMOO

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elisp question

I'm certain I have reinvented a wheel here, but for the life of me I can't find it. Have I?

(defmacro jrl-extract-list (vars list &rest body)
  "Split a list into indiviual variables"
  (let ((list* (gensym)))
    (append
     `(let ,(cons (list list* list) vars))
     (seq-map (lambda (var)
                `(setq ,var (car ,list*)
                       ,list* (cdr ,list*)))
              vars)
     body)))

#emacs #lisp #elisp

Edit: Of course it was pcase.

elisp question

I just put a call to eval in my code and I feel dirty now.

The context went something like this:

(eval (cons 'concat (my-function arg1 arg2)))

I had initially hoped to use
(concat . (my-function arg1 arg2))

...but this resulted in a call to
(concat my-function arg1 arg2)

Which was not what I expected.

Is there a better way I could've written this?
#emacs #lisp #elisp

Edit: Got my answer. I wanted:

(apply 'concat (my-func arg1 arg2))

Edit 2:
It turns out the code I really wanted was:

(string-join arg2 arg1)

I love reinventing the wheel because I didn't know it was already there.

Edit 3:
Here's the actual code:

(defun lambdamoo-run-text-replacements (str)
  "Perform text replacements on the string"
  (dolist (vals lambdamoo-text-replacements)
    (let* ((from (car vals))
           (to (cdr vals))
           (split (split-string str from)))
      (setq str (string-join split to))))
  str)

Let's see if there's anything else I've reinvented here.

I just wrote a bunch of #elisp code like this:
(catch :abort
  ;; do something
  (when condition
    (message "A bad thing happened")
    (throw :abort nil))
  ;; do something else
  )

When the functionality I really wanted was:
(progn
  ;; do something
  (when condition
    (user-error "A bad thing happened"))
  ;; do something else
  )

I knew the former felt sketchy, but I couldn't think of a better way to do it until just now.
#emacs #lisp
in reply to Jonathan Lamothe

As a Schemer (and formerly/sometimes still Objective-C), everything is pretty verbose, and my own functions even more so, so I can search by function name knowing the type and parameters. (vector-index vec searchfunc), (draw-rect-with-edge-color rect edge-width color), etc.

There's no excuse for hardcore Lisp functions like (wadsf w q) "wander down stack frames for word query" (fictional but not unlikely).
#lisp

#lisp

#Elisp logic:

All interned symbols can be found in a lookup table. This table is bound to the obarray symbol.

Hang on a minute...

I can only assume that the underlying C code has its own pointer to this table and the obarray symbol is only provided as a convenience for elisp functions that can't see this pointer?
#emacs #lisp

in reply to James Endres Howell

@James Endres Howell
I'm a little self-conscious about it as non-trivial is relative, but...
(defmacro lambdamoo-chatter-interact
    (func-name to msg docstring fmtstr &rest vals)
  "Define a function for interacting with another player"
  (let ((proc (gensym))
        (str (gensym)))
    `(defun ,func-name (,proc ,str)
       ,docstring
       (let ((,to lambdamoo-chatter)
             (,msg (substring-no-properties (lambdamoo-command-text ,str))))
         (if ,to
             (funcall lambdamoo-send-line ,proc
                      (format ,fmtstr . ,vals))
           (message "No chatter specified"))))))

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