Pretty sure Rogers keeps disconnecting my internet in the middle of the night without notice to do some kind of maintenance hoping that nobody will notice.
I keep having to reboot the modem every morning for the past few days. This time I was awake when it went down.
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I can't draw analogies like this. When I learned to program, it was by reading hundreds of printed man pages for TI-BASIC and MS-DOS. I have little hope that a 5yr old from today would do the same. I think if I didn't know how to program and had to learn that way today, I might not.
The old ways are not the new ways, and they aren't even that sacred. They are just barely the known.
@BoydStephenSmithJr I think back in the day, you still had a chance to stumble upon someplace decent to start. You could be browsing the library and come across something like "Beginning C64 BASIC programming" or "How to tell the computer what to do" and they had a good chance of being half-way decent starting points.
You also need intellectual curiosity. That spark that goes "can I make the machine do this?" or "what happens if I do that instead?". That in turn requires feeling *safe*.
Went to a large grocery store and waitied in the parking lot with a book for a few hours hoping to pick up an Instacart order. Didn't get one, but as I tried to start the car to go home, I found that I'd left the lights on and the battery's dead.
Waiting on my father to show up with jumper cables, but at least I'm not so upset about not getting an order. Would've sucked to find the battery dead when I tried to deliver it...
"It does not appear that he (Edgar Allan Poe) ever wrote or spoke of it, nor is there any evidence that he even noticed it. And yet that house, to the two persons in possession of certain information, equals or outranks in horror the wildest phantasy of the genius who so often passed it unknowingly, and stands starkly leering as a symbol of all that is unutterably hideous."
— H.P. Lovecraft: Necronomicon, p. 233
This is just Lovecraft's not-so-subtle way of saying "I'm a better horror writer than Edar Allan Poe".
What a pompous ass.
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Why I stopped ordering food delivery:
Modest Meal..... $14.99
Drink.... $3.43
"I will enjoy the Modest Meal and a drink." 😇
Bill:
Modest Meal $14.99
Drink. $3.43
Tax $2.80
Service Fee $5.35
Fee ... $2.80
Area Charge ... $6.90
Delivery ... $4.80
Just Go With It Fee $3.04
Movement Charge? ...$2.94
Delivery Fee... $2.80
Snakes ..$2.34
Vendor Notion $2.80
Just Because Fee $4.81
Ghost Removal $6.03
Vibes ... $1.03
Fee Tax $6.30
Total: 65.56
Tax Again For Some Reason: 11.62
True Total: 77.19 😲
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@mvilain We still do that now, and it's not because of the fees. I'm not comfortable with a random stranger having access to my food. Yes, I know the folks at the restaurant have access to my food, but that's gonna happen regardless. And at least they're employed by the restaurant, not just some rando who's not trained to handle food and customers.
I kind of stole this joke from someone who posted it as an image without a description, but I changed it up.
I *would* have just boosted that post, but the image wasn't described and as I started to write alt text I thought of some changes to make... so the moral is if you wanna get boosted include the alt text!
yeah by the time i finish preparing the alt text it becomes infinitely easier to just post that instead
saves everyone's bandwidth too
LLMs are not intelligent but they ARE good for spouting extruded text that mimics the zeitgeist of their training data and if that training data includes the overflowing sewer that is the unfiltered internet you're going to get gaslighting, lies, conspiracy theories, and malice. Guardrails only prevent some of it from spilling over.
Humans base their norms on their peers' opinions, so LLMs potentially normalize all sorts of horrors in discourse—probably including ones we haven't glimpsed yet.
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To be clear, that point about LLMs is a criticism of the training inputs. Which as far as I can see are promiscuously hoovered off the public internet by bots (like the ones perpetually DoS'ing the server my blog runs on this year) with zero thought given to curating the data for accuracy or appropriateness.
They generate perfect "answer shaped objects" … from a foul-minded misogynist white supremacist bigot oozing malice against everyone who's not like him.
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LLMs are the shitbrained version of the ML models that had been accelerating (and transforming entire research areas and industries for the better) until LLMs took up all the oxygen.
To your point, those ML models were built slowly and deliberately using vetted information, which is why they're truly miraculous.
Only this era's humanity would throw away actually revolutionary technology to invest in the image of revolutionary technology instead.
But it's not a pipe, never will be
@johnzajac
> "Only this era's humanity would throw away actually revolutionary technology to invest in the image of revolutionary technology instead."
I disagree. The greater mass of humanity has *always* made stupid choices and the greater number of leaders have *always* been lesser people.
And this has been true for all of human history: A few leaders who are capable and decent human beings and orders of magnitude more who's only real talent is remorseless backstabbing.
@johnzajac
Instead of the 'Great Man' theory of history, let me introduce you to the 'Unintended Side Effect' theory of history.
ETA: On a re-read I realized I failed to properly tie this in with what you are saying. Sorry about that. By the above I mean humans have historically made EXACTLY the kinds of mistakes you describe (along with many other kinds of mistakes), both en-mass and through the individual choices of our leaders.
But then history has taught me only anthroskepicism.
@jackwilliambell
Generally I'd agree, except for one caveat: it's only in the modern era that humanity has created technology that no only does nothing but also consumes everything, and is sitting on so much prosperity (near to post-scarcity levels of it) that is so poorly distributed that they even have the *choice* to do that.
I simply think that all the evidence points to what's happening over the last 40 years as unique in human history in both scale and kind of depravity.
Some AI lobbying takes the form of cheating out wins in competitions.
fortune.com/2025/01/21/eye-on-…
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We’re Entering Uncharted Territory for Math
Terence Tao, the world’s greatest living mathematician, has a vision for AI.Matteo Wong (The Atlantic)
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@Charlie Stross A million times this.
Are there very narrow areas where AI can be useful? Probably, but easily 99.9% of the stuff it's being shoehorned into, AI ought never to be trusted with.
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I think it’s dope af that plants take air and turn it into solid material
why aren’t more people awestruck that this shit happens all the time?
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It's any unnamed vegetable oil that you would use to make a salad dressing; the key characteristic is that it doesn't have much flavor. It's often sold as a mix of whatever's reasonably cheap: soybean, canola, peanut, and in some cases, cottonseed.
You can substitute whatever you like, especially if you think the recipe would improve with avocado or olive oil.
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I'm sure it's a product of its time, but good God there are some racist passages in this book.
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Bank machines have business hours now? How is that a thing?
Are the machines that are replacing us demanding better working conditions now? 🙃
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🐓 I live next door to 18 chickens now. Therefore, be aware that a Chicken Report could happen at any time during Dubious Goals Committee. 🐔
Also simf. Simf can happen at any time during DGC. 🎹 🎵
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someone I knew lived on Anguilla and was a computer consultant. Occasionally her conference calls would be interrupted by the goats next door sticking their heads in the window.
Now she lives in South Carolina, where I assume the same thing happens.
I need to request that *all* programmers remember that some of us are visually impaired and need to be able to edit the actual tar out of the font sizes for your menus, main bodies of your programs, etc. We need font resizing options, bolding options, color options, and font type options. For everything. If it's text, it needs to be able to be redone by the user. Also, that needs to be on a "global" and then a "per pane" basis, including the main area a person is working in.
Complaint trigger: All these M'Fkn' "Media Players" that are written for dinky little smart phones that no one over the age of 45 or 50 can even read hardly at all. I don't care that most of the people who download these things are around 12 to 25 years old. Some of us need to use these things in order to start or operate businesses and are *real grown ups.* We need these things but when we can't read them, they're useless to us.
Please fix this in every application on this planet. Thanks.
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Thank you for boosting this @Cassiopeia12727 , @BuckRogers1965 , @darwinwoodka , @patrickhadfield , @JMacfie , @TanekRune , @schoudaan , @srtcd424 , @BrKloeckner , @simonwilliamson , @MarkAsser , @janeishly , @me , @keet , @adelinej , @pathfinder , @Mepurfield , @bike_ofen , @arbres , @Barbramon1
I hope it gets to the right people soon! I'm about at my wit's end over this.
At sixty and even with glasses, I generally find that sites work best if I can adjust the font size. Also, being able to go into dark mode, or adjusting the colour as someone who is colour-blind. Really, these sorts of adjustments should be common place.
It's ableist and bs.
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Everything after the "?" symbol can be removed without issue
Uhhhh not really
That also has stuff like timestamps. And in some links, such as on youtube.com/watch?v=videocode, the actually important part of the link is also after the ? (as opposed to on youtu.be/videocode).
?, though I haven't seen that in the wild.
@Jonathan Lamothe @Thomas Fuglseth @🏳️🌈🎃🇧🇷Luana🇧🇷🎃🏳️🌈 Some sites like fb, reddit and stackoverflow produce special share links that aren't just a link to the article, the link is unique to the person sharing it.
When I get a link like that, I'll look up the canonical URL before sharing it further. It's not only a privacy issue, it's a special case of the URL shortener issue and messes up our collective internet heritage, as it is very unlikely that URL will be resolvable ten years from now, and the internet archives and national libraries out there won't know that personalized URL.
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playlist also. So e.g. how would one clean up this link?
youtube.com/watch?v=IsiKUsrqFk…
So much stuff here, but all of it is necessary. v indicates which video it is, list indicates which playlist it is, t indicates the timestamp. Granted, this isn't a youtu.be link, but only because that one already removes playlist, so it's not useful for sharing videos with their context intact.
- YouTube
Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.www.youtube.com
@Uglesett@snabelen.no @luana@wetdry.world no, as a matter of fact taking youtube.com/watch?v=IsiKUsrqFk… and cutting off everything after ? - that is v=IsiKUsrqFkc&list=PLvoAL-KSZ32dRMGLza8Dw4xZK6_1ItjNr&t=52 - will not show the intended video - youtube.com/watch is not a video URL. Time is also important - I might be linking to a specific point in a 4h video, for example.
Those 4 are safe to cut, yeah, but "just cut off everything after ?" is straight up misinfo - that's how you end up with people sharing broken links
YouTube
Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.www.youtube.com
v doesn't have to be the first parameter + again, you stil have time and playlist. Like I said, time is important - maybe you're linking to a specific point in a 4h video essay, for example. Playlist is important if you're , say, sharing a music video from a soundtrack or album split into individual tracks per video rather than a single video for the whole thing.
So - again - you can't blindly remove things - know what is safe to remove and use common sense. Sometimes it's fine to omit both time and playlist (sometimes even desirable), often not.
This #Firefox extension, #ClearURLs, removes tracking junk from URLs:
addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firef…
It's available both on desktop and on Android.
ClearURLs – Get this Extension for 🦊 Firefox (en-GB)
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@sorcery Yeah, the last sentence is true except in the many cases when it's not. 😅
But everything before that is solid advice.
For the Androids amongst us:
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Untracker | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository
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Hey #Fediverse, I already made this post but since I migrated to here it's gone.
I have to move soon and don't have the cash for the Deposit. I must get a total of 1500€ till the 15/16th of this month.
Every Euro helps! I don't wanna be homeless, I have a Job but my Employer can't give me a Wage advance and I have no idea who to ask anymore.
Thanks to anyone who helps me
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Info: I will leave the Fedi for some time. I am not feeling that good atm. Thanks to anyone who supported me ❤
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Me: Yes. They're absolutely not there.
Katy: Found some.
Me: Where were they?
Katy: In the cabinet under your night stand.
Me: 🙃
Our brakes sound really terrible. Our emergency fund is tapped out.
Fuck.
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@Kevin Davy I'm pretty sure they're shot. I've been neglecting it for a while (equal parts lack of funds and lack of spoons).
Already working on a contingency plan. If need be, we can lean on family for help. I just hate doing that because I know things are tight for them too.
This is the hardest message I have ever written.
Does anyone in have a lead on a company that would be willing to sponsor a web development technical lead?
I am open to most Euro, Japan, and Oceania.
My German is bad. My Japanese is a bit better. I would love to get better.
It seems like things are going to be no longer safe for my family.
Help me.
Please boost. 🙇
Edit:
I want to thank everyone who has boosted, replied, and offered advice. Thank you so much. I have much more to go on, and much more to learn.
Everyone. Please stay safe, and keep your family and friends close.
Thank you all.
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@Shae Erisson It's a thing my doctor's been keeping an eye on for a while now. My heart rate will occasionally just spike for no apparent reason. I'm told it's "an electrical issue, not a plumbing issue" which is apparently far less serious.
At present, it's nothing more than a nuisance. I'm wearing the monitor for now to see of they can actually catch it happening to better diagnose, but in general, it doesn't affect my day-to-day.
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Zohran Mamdani Had A 2010s Rap Career As Mr. Cardamom
Before his bid to become mayor, Zohran Mamdani made music as Mr. Cardamom — and his old videos are going viral.Andre Gee (Rolling Stone)
#SummerCon
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@Lockpick Extreme Maybe I'll try to learn again, though I should probably wait until I'm employed again to buy anything as frivolous as a pick kit.
I still remember the time my cousin and I tried to make and use a bump key when he locked himself out of a room. We never got it to work. I eventually left him with a "welp, you're on your own." 🙃
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This week a “life-changing” breakthrough in gene therapy has given people born with genetic hearing loss potential for recovering some of their hearing.
Also Britain’s Ash trees are becoming resistant to Ash die back.
Also Ireland has gone COAL FREE #goodNews
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> But I *like* programming. I *like* writing. I like making things and then being able to sit back and look at them and think, holy fuck, I made that.
Yes, this, all of this. Too many quotes to pull. Thank you @eevee eev.ee/blog/2025/07/03/the-ris…
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Whenever I mention that boycotting is a privilege, I inevitably get people trying to explain how wrong I am.
How “easy” it is to find alternatives.
How “important” it is not to support big businesses like Amazon.
How “lazy” it is not to shop local.
They talk over me, condescend and accuse me of not fighting for the cause.
Disabled people need your support and solidarity.
We’re all in this fight together.
When we tell you something is inaccessible, believe us.
Most of us already feel guilty we can’t do more, but there’s many things that aren’t “easy” for us.
Survival is resistance. It’s not “lazy” to utilize a service that will keep you alive.
Fight the fascists. Not one another.
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The people to punish are the ultra-privileged who will not be affected, or who can avoid being affected by buying out of the Ununited States.
So much this.
And they never consider people who don't live in big cities (there are so many 'just do this...' that are entirely dependent on living in a big city).
I'm tremendously lucky that there's a greengrocer a few minutes' walk away. Most people don't have that. But where are the independent local businesses that I'm supposed to get everything else from? The sustainable refill shops that will allow me to reduce packaging? The market that lets me buy everything from farms? The shop that will sell me what I need to repair things that break?
@purplepadma @Beedazzled Oh yeah Mastodon be like:
TIRED: Don’t use Microsoft products
WIRED: Don’t use Apple products
INSPIRED: Don’t use that version of Linux
A friend quoting their dad some decades ago ”if I boycotted everything the union told me to, I wouldn’t be able to feed my kids.”
You do what you can, and it was ever thus.
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They were only talking about themselves and not bugging anyone else so it wasn't a problem, it just really highlighted the difference in what is an "easy" alternative for people in different situations!
I will return to shopping locally as soon as they return to wearing masks, so that I don't have to stand in their unfiltered viruses. But I bet they're too lazy for that.
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I'm going to talk about sexual harassment online for just a little bit here.
Bear with me.
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Like many women online, I get sexual harassment in waves here on the good ol' fediverse.
Today was a rough day, other days are less rough, all of it is unwelcome, and that's a bigger problem than one online community. I don't expect Mastodon (or any other ActivityPub thing) to solve that problem 100%.
When I see it, I block it. Often enough it's a bad server, and I defederate.
This impacts the visibility of the comment.
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Why ... just why can't so many people just behave ordinary and decent?
This is just sad. So sad 
So here's what happens practically:
First, I get a disgusting remark (or several) and block/defederate/whatever.
This remark does not pass through to other servers, who often enough *also* are blocking/defederating/whatever.
That means you, dear end-user, don't know that any of this happened.
So when I say something like "harassment is rough today", you're not seeing what I saw.
I personally feel like that's a problem. It gets in the way of understanding the scope of the issue.
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I don't need to see you being harassed to believe that you are when you say it.
I understand that there's clearly a bunch of people who fucking do, because some people can only learn from things they experience directly.
Folks, dudes, please believe women.
Now, don't get me wrong, I don't want to host harassment and share it around. I get vile nightmare fuel you don't want to see.
Defederating is a good solution. But I feel strongly that Mastodon (as the putative leader pushing the protocol) could do two things.
One would be to make it easier to share naughty-lists full of bad actors in real time. This would help stop issues before they start.
The other is blocking replies.
I know, I know. "Blocking replies is impossible". "You can't stop people from disagreeing with you on the internet".
I've heard it all, and don't really care.
Here's my proposal: much like how I can set the post visibility here, I should be able to tell my server to drop any replies to that post.
Not "don't send notifications about replies". Drop them. Don't host them.
And compliant servers would honor that request in the UI.
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I'm not asking to regulate your speech, dudes.
I'm saying I don't want to host it in certain contexts. And I think it'd be nice if the popular server software enabled that.
This would make the choice of "post or stay quiet" a lot easier here. This might encourage more folks from marginalized communities to come here instead of Bluesky or other platforms.
It might help *grow* this space. And I care about that.
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"But how does blocking replies promote speech?"
Good question. Let's imagine selfies.
I don't share a ton of selfies because I get creepy comments.
I would almost certainly post more photos if I could tell my server "drop all replies that aren't from people I follow".
The lack of reply limiting is causing me to self-censor.
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"But Veronica, you can mute posts containing certain words!"
True. And I do. But that stops *me* from seeing it. My server still hosts the harassment in that case. It's sending it to other servers.
I don't like that. Ethically that feels very bad. And potentially dangerous.
I want more control over what my server hosts. And the fact that I don't have that control? That's a choice from the folks pushing the protocol.
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I'm hoping for a good solution to be found. You should not have to deal with harassment.
@hamkaas I don't see value in private accounts, personally.
If I want to share with friends I have group chats. The entire reason I post on social media is to be social with a broader community.
@Radgryd @hamkaas
This is what I was going to ask.
I see a post to followers only selection, which I've never tried.
So maybe making a distinction between selfies, and outreach posts?
(I don't use real name accounts, and cringe when I see selfie posts. But I understand I'm in the minority on those.)
How about post to followers for selfies, and post to the world for reach out posts?
I understand the thread is about suggesting new solutions to the problem.
On the Mastodon i did it only once. But on boardgamearena... boah, hundreds of bad players (incl. their behavior).
I wish I could just thanos-snap those people out of existence.
Yes. I'm saying harassers don't deserve to exist, if it offends you, fuck you.
@Johns_priv people have a right to exist, human rights are universal for everyone; not 'some humans rights'; this is not up for debate,
stop trying to make everyones rights conditonal; stop trying to make it something that can be be tossed out whenever someone fucking feels like it; if "people have a fundamental right to exist" offends you; and is a 'problem' to you, then you are part of the problem; fuck you,
I don't have a computer science degree but I don't think people cease to exist if someone blocks them from replying to their post.
@Li @Johns_priv @vkc
sorry you have to deal with this stuff. I always struggle to understand why people do shitty things, when its so much easier not to do shitty things to begin with?
Anger and hate takes so much energy and effort.
Thanks for being public about this stuff.
I don’t know if it’s the kind of thing that would cause you to rebase your whole instance, but I’m pretty sure @Bonfire has this feature.
At the very least, it proves you’re not alone in advocating for this change in the fediverse. It was important enough to the Bonfire crew to make sure it was included for RC 1.
> [Muting posts] stops *me* from seeing it. My server still hosts the harassment in that case
So what you're concerned about is nasty replies being stored on your server, even if you never see them? You want to be able to Mute Replies on a post in a way that stops any replies to it being received by your server. Correct?
> It's sending it to other servers
FYI a reply to your post is sent by the server where it's posted, not by yours. The only thing a server sends is what's posted on it.
💯. I don't get 1% of the trash you do, and managing who shows up in my posts is something I've wanted for years. I'd say that's the number-one feature request I see discussed on here, honestly.
Vicious abuse is a serious problem, to be sure, and a lot of us are deeply, bone-level tired of other forms of obnoxiousness as well: drive-by snark, tone cops, debate trolls, and other pests.
I can't count how many times I didn't share something bc of what I imagined the replies would sound like.
Christ. Yeah, exactly—that's the core counterpoint to the "just mute/block" argument. I don't want some troublemaker's nonsense defacing my work. It isn't just offensive to me, it also drives away other people who I do want to interact with.
I've participated in over two decades' worth of online communities at this point, and the "speech at all costs" principle that seems to define the thinking around these things has *never* resulted in better, more fulfilling interactions. Not even once.
I'm not marginalized in any way that really matters, and it'd even help *me*. I'm forever self-censoring - I'll type out a reply, then think "ahh, this conversation doesn't really need my input" and delete it.
There's really two features that should be part of fedi (think you've asked for both before?): ability to limit replies (signal when a post is not starting a public conversation), and ability to disown replies as canonical.
Let others say what they want instead of trying to guess!
@fwaggle yes! This makes sense to me, and feels like it'd *foster* conversation instead of blocking it.
If folks ask me questions here and I reply, often my reply (with a large following) triggers a lot of unwelcome replies for the OP.
I can limit visibility, of course, but then multiple people ask the same question instead of learning from each other.
Being able to tell my server "drop replies that aren't from the OP" would be amazing for encouraging conversation.
I haven't really been paying attention to GoToSocial lately (because I start to think about the colossal task of figuring out how to migrate my domain from one fedi software to another, I keep hoping someone else will do it first and I can copy their homework) but I think they're working on the former at least.
But without support in the wider software it'll just be confusing also.
But even things like we have to tell people "boosts welcome" - why do we live like this? It could be better!
I wonder if a white-list approach could work? As in, you can mark specific users as "allowed to reply", and anyone not marked as such cannot. This way, you could cultivate your own circle of people you trust, so people like you, who get way more abuse than most of us can imagine, could still get some of the benefits of having a social presence and interaction online.
Of course, the downside is that it puts the onus of being safe online on the vicitim. Certainly not a perfect solution.
If you restrict posts to followers then surely that stops them being boosted and hence non-followers seeing them, unless one of your followers is really shitty and shares you/your post some other way?
I appreciate this doesn't help if you do want the post to get to the wider #fedverse but suppess replies.
And if someone does harass you, can't you report them and get both your and their instance admin/moderators to block them in future - that would then help to protect other users on the instance?
@chrislowles yeah, GoToSocial really is the go to option (heh) for someone who wants fine-grained interaction policies *now*.
docs.gotosocial.org/en/stable/…
those who want to stick with mastodon, well, it'll probably be a long wait, so don't hold your breath.
@Stoori @chrislowles I've had my eye on that one, but my fear is that without it being pushed by the protocol it's not going to be effective.
I think Mastodon has to change their mind about it, and until they do we've got problems.
He should moderate his own speech before he types.
Simply don't be a dick to others.
you are inexplicably generous.
I am definitely asking my fellow dudes to moderate their speech, to treat strangers with decency and respect, to be aware of alternate interpretations of their written words, to remember John Scalzi's wisdom ("the failure mode of clever is asshole").
And to just give a shit about other people, quite frankly.
yep, Bluesky lets you turn off replies for a post at pretty much any point.
They have kinda crap moderation tools, but they do have that.
I love this idea. Bluesky has shared blocklists and while they can be used by bad actors, the truth is anything can be, and I'd much rather block preemptively if someone says "hey, this person is a bad actor". Like anything, it needs to be vetted by the person using it, but I've found it saves me a lot of headaches on Bluesky.
Dropping replies is also a great idea and would give servers more ways to be net friendly.
yeah the more I think about it the more it makes sense to not be @'ed in some contextes.
Twitter never really made it big in my personal circle of friends but I think on Twitter one can limit / turn off responses? I am not sure
@Lats
Hate speech is rigorously moderated here, so I don't know how large a problem that'll be. I'm more concerned about disinformation and, more generally, people presenting one side of a complex argument and preventing anyone from expressing the opposite view.
In the early years of the Covid pandemic, we saw lots of anti-vax disinformation. At least, in those days, it was possible to argue against it, so that anyone reading the thread would see both sides. Once disinfo agents can restrict replies, that'll no longer be true.
If Fedi turns into a hall full of people with megaphones, all shouting at one another and blocking replies, it'll kill it for me. I'll be gone. And I'll really miss the place.
Shared block lists, OTOH, seem like a great idea.
@vkc
This even sounds technically feasible without too much hassle.
Whilst we can't always be sure that all instances would honour such a "reply block", once the big ones do it, a lot is gained.
Smart idea. I wonder why no one has proposed it, already.
ideally block replies at any point, so if you decide a post has blown up enough and is attracting bad quality replies, you can just lock it.
I've seen people delete good posts for this reason, and it's a shame.
I've often wondered why that isn't ‘a thing’.
Of course various servers/clients might try send replies anyway — maliciously or through not understanding — and in some scenarios those replies may even end up appearing to other users (on the same instance, say).
But none of that, *none of it*, explains to me why an implement can't simply do ‘if object references object, throw away’.
Hardly computationally burdensome, and I'm no AP expert but I can't imagine it breaks the protocol.
Reply gating.
IIRC from the last time somebody (@kissane ?) pleaded for this very reasonable improvement, it surfaced that reply gating (or limiting) has been on the Mastodon to-do list for nearly a decade but Eugen & co have deprioritized it all this time. There were reasons. All the reasons.
This was the issue where I started to question how much I like Eugen & co.
I hope this current push does the trick.
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I hope, that you will find a way, to heal from it and to keep them away in the future.
I agree that it’s problematic that we don’t have a way of knowing the scope of abusive posts.
I haven’t seen any of the abusive posts you are referring to. It would be easy to jump the conclusion that you are exaggerating the problem. But instead I choose to acknowledge that I don’t know how bad the problem is.
Part of me wants to know enough that I could have an informed opinion about those posts. But at the same time I don’t want abusive posts to get more exposure than necessary.
I won’t claim to have a perfect solution to any of this. I am thinking that some sort of distributed moderation system with some statistics visible to the public might be part of a good solution.
@kasperd I very much want distributed moderation. I think it's critical, in fact. This already happens in an almost sneakernet-style way with sharing lists, but it's not real time and critically, not official.
I'd like to see an official, sanctioned ActivityPub blocklist server in which groups can control this themselves.
It's still whack-a-mole but you aren't playing it alone.
because it's true I have not seen any of the mentioned experiences and perhaps my server prohibited me.
@verbrecher you're telling a woman to change her behavior if she doesn't want to deal with harassment.
That's... not good
@vkc (Veronica Explains) This thread is worth a read. It contains actual practical solutions to a host of problems I've heard about many times over.
I hope of gets serious consideration.
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I get why it would make sense to have something like this.
And on old twitter the setting of only allowing people someone followed to reply meant that I - as a nobody small account - could not participate in many discussions as I wasn't allowed to reply.
Hoping this could be a more granular setting than it used to be there.
@cy "I... could not participate in many discussions as I wasn't allowed to reply"
The thing is... nobody (not you or me or anyone else) should be *entitled* to participate, and more critically, *entitled* to another server's hosting resources.
I like granularity too, don't get me wrong, but only because I want to see *more* communication fostered, and flexibility is important there.
@verbrecher that works for you, but like, not everybody?
My literal job involves being a public figure. Responding with "don't be so public" isn't exactly helpful and isn't appreciated.
#UI #Design Grumps' #Manifesto:
- Scrollbars should be thick enough to grab easily with an ordinary mouse.
- Scrollbars should be a part of the window decoration, NOT inside the content of the window.
- Active titlebars and inactive titlebars should be completely different colors or brightnesses. Obvious at the quickest glance.
- Client Side Decorations are stupid, I don't care how many people say otherwise, or how many times. They're just awful on so many levels.
- All text should be of decently high contrast, and any text atop varying elements like videos should be outlined and/or shadowed for maximum visibility. No more stupid plain white text atop bright videos, you absolute station wagons.
- Any program, whether gui or CLI, should be comfortable and usable in either light or dark mode, depending on the user's preference.
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Blast those pompous station wagons.
I would like to make two amendments to the great manifesto:
1. Tied to client-side decorations (which is greatly dislike), applications should never be able to override the presence of window borders. And, if they insist upon that, then the option to enable and set window border width must be mandatory.
2. Do not require pixel perfect placement of the active point of the cursor to resize or move windows.
Oh man, yes!
Requiring pixel-accuracy for anything on modern displays is insanity.
#LibreOffice is guilty of this on occasion.
I've definitely struggled with LibreOffice on that front quite a bit as well.
Also, Visual Studio Code (along with VSCodium and Theia IDE) is a royal pain, especially because it doesn't present window borders without enabling the native titlebar (which has it's own quirks and features). The problem there is losing vertical real estate, an already significant issue on 16:9 screens. 🤦🏼
I have tried to use JetBrains PyCharm for my projects, but I feel like it's clunkier and slower than VS Code (which is already clunky and slow in its own right).
If I had the spare time, I definitely want to sit down and learn set up and use NeoVim to my liking. If/when that happens, I'll be more than happy to ditch VS Code.
I get most of these, but not the "scrollbars should be part of the window decorations" thing. What do you do for multiple scrollbars in a single window, like Masto's multicolumn UI?
So IMO they should be window content.
Definitely server-side decorations though.
Well, you can have scrollbars for content within a window, but it shouldn't be in-line with the content inside the window.
Basically, the way firefox worked in 2009 or so. I'm not sure when they made the change to the modern style of scrollbars where the scrollbar is inside the content being scrolled. It's stinking weird.
Found an example of how it used to work:
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia…
You see, the scrollbar is separate from the text/content being scrolled.
Now, it's an optionally disappearing element within the content being scrolled, so it gets in the way, badly, if you change the firefox config to have a decent-sized scrollbar.
*OH*, so what you mean is "no overlay scrollbars"?
That's not in the window decorations, it's still window content (as evidenced by the existence of that sidebar scroller there), but yeah overlay scrollbars suck! (We're on KDE and hardly ever see them.)
But the entire mozilla suite does. :/
I think Firefox has an about:config you can flip.
Maybe widget.gtk.overlay-scrollbars.enabled?
Here's all our scroll-related settings, if that's helpful.
Also our Firefox is a bit older than what's current. Hopefully that doesn't have an effect.
The scrollbars still aren't the widest, but they could be worse.
Any time I create an account where the password policy forbids a certain class of character I know I might as well just hand my PII over to the data brokers directly.
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Today I was reminded that old online chats offered context awareness for the people online: you knew you won't be a bother to a friend who has a smiley flower as a status; and you knew you might not be getting a quick reply from someone who's Away.
Today I don't even know if my friends are online or not. The messenger apps make the assumption that everyone is online, and if not, they will receive a push notification, and will reply to you as soon as possible. But this assumption is barely true. I bet it makes lives harder, especially for ND people
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@reidrac Teams has something similar but I have been using it for two months and not sure what the Icons mean.
Find it interesting that Signal.org that AFAIK uses the same protocol as WhatsApp allows to schedule messages. Telegram could schedule as well. Outlook emails also offer you to delay post if person is away.
But WhatsApp does not have the delay feature. Maybe because it's business model is Mata data and this removes purity from the data?
@reidrac xmpp has specifications for pretty much every feature found somewhere else (useful or not). But presence was so important that it is part of the protocol core, and even of its name! Whereas concehts like "group chats" are later extenions.
Some "modern" clie/ts don't really make the presence visible, however, or let you control it.
I was involved with Jabber (before it was called XMPP) shortly after that decision was made, so when people still remembered why.
A big part of it was that Jabber wanted to support lossless bridging between different IM systems. Being able to run an ICQ, MSNM, AIM, and so on bridge on your Jabber server meant users could switch immediately and retain their existing contacts. If only a subset of Jabber features worked with those contacts, that gave them an incentive to switch (and a good migration path). If only a subset of other-system features worked, that made it much harder.
The ICQ protocol had this fixed set of states. One of the other messengers had status messages as free-form text. As a result, XMPP built in both. And, because it was XML, you could also put a load of other things in (e.g. the music that you’re listening to).
I wrote a little daemon (20ish years ago) that would record status messages and push them to a microblogging platform (back when Twitter was one among many and not a clear winner), so you could use a Jabber client to publish microblogging things in realtime to your contacts and more slowly to other people.
I think it says a lot that at some point in the mobile phone era, the default became "available."
I do like the idea of having different "levels" of access, though.
I still sometimes have to send the nohello.net link
I've also just politely requested people to simply ask the question or provide info else I will assume the hello is the start of some message and just wait instead of responding.
This has had a decent success rate but if it fails I'll go with the link. Once people understand that if they want my attention they need to actually give me info, they start using async messaging as intended.
when I flashed LineageOS, all push notifications that relied on google's proprietary code broke.
It was awesome.
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They are not the same! A message can be one or the other, or both or neither.
In discord "@silent" is my friend, I use it all the time but it feels like an afterthought.
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@accidentlyAnton being able to send silent messages in Slack would be nice too...
Wait, it also supposedly works with this @silent prefix?!
Free for chat connected you with people using the "random chat" function. It was fun, when suddenly someone from the other end of the world messaged you because you're free for chat.
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I never had an ICQ number. I just used AIM/Yahoo/MSN via Pidgin and Adium. That's an interesting feature.
I was one of the last holdouts on AIM, still messaging the one or two people on there in the last year it was alive. I do miss that era for sure. I still have some ancient AIM logs stored somewhere.
@djsumdog @allo @Blackthorn there is a moden server for AIM/MSN/ICQ: nina.chat/
I'm thinking of maybe joining, but then maybe I'm better off joining XMPP.
I totally agree. The "Focus" settings on an iPhone sort of work this way, but not like old AIM... I could reliably hold "office hours" and block messages completely when I was away.
The assumption the user is "always on" is a bad one.
@santhor when I was online from the phone, it was showing everyone that I'm "online (mobile)" or "away (mobile)", hinting that my replies could be shorter than if I was using a computer.
I think people don't use it because there is an assumption that everyone is always, permanently, terminally, online. If we foster the habit of "getting online is an action", people will be using it!
my phone is permanently on DnD, because there is no way to stop every fucking app from pinging at me all the time. Every time they update, they add a new category of notification so they can demand my attention. While there are types of notifications I might like to have, it's too much effort to selectively enforce "leave me the hell alone", so nobody gets to ping at me. Such toxic design.
I used to love gadgets and getting new ones, but now it's days/weeks to make it tolerable.
@swelljoe I used to simply turn the data off on my phone, but then I started working for Facebook, and the coworkers quickly explained to me that DnD is the only way to survive. I kept turning off the data anyway 😁
As for the gadgets: Palm OS 5 devices are as neat as they used to be when they just came out. I also am having lots of fun with my Nintendo DSi and Gameboy Micro!
👋 sharing one thought - next text, ask the friends to disable their push notifications.
sounds wild. hear me out. 👀
this enables you to free your mind from learned behaviors designed to disrupt whatever you might be doing in real life in favor of what some other human or even algorithm decided. yes, even if it is your bestie wanting to share a cute cat video - especially if it's a designed-to-deflate news headline. nope! 🙅♀️
opt into your phone existing in your life via your personal, inalienable free will. this seems like the strongest, way to take active control of reframing one's relationship with one's devices at present. 💃
**not trying to show up as a reply guy - just offering what seems to be working well fired me and sharing if others find use in it. ✌️💙
the only problem was that it's really hard to consistently/reliably keep that status updated..
Discord has it too. Typically people use custom status just for memes and not as actual status, and other ones are just set permanently and forgotten about, haha. But the automatic online/offline is sorta helpful occasionally (though way too often someone's "online" just because of leaving a PC running in the background haha)
@valpackett yeah, my Discord is permanently "away". But my ICQ used to switch between "Away" and "Online" depending on my usage of the app - it'd switch to Away when I was coding, but would switch back to Online when I opened the app. Discord allows me to set "Away for 1/2/4/8 hours" but won't show my actual status based on my actual activity. :<
If we don't count "Nina plays gdb" and "Atsuko plays KiCad", of course.
luckily I can set do not disturb on a timer on my phone.
iMessage folks receive a banner if they text me. Others don’t get that context.
Otherwise I generally limit notifications from apps and never have work apps on my phone
Then again, those were IMs from another era. Nowadays most messenger apps are catered towards reading your data, spamming you with ads, and being obnoxious.
It's like 90sNerdTurrets. I see that image and my mouth is going like: 233810060
Does it still exist?
Kidding aside, thanks for reminding me of that time. And I completly agree with you. We, I suppose, are the small portion of a generation who grew up with the internet, used it properly, and transitioned into what we have now. We sometimes forget how it was in the beginning.
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I've said for many years (and will continue to die on that hill)
Chat services peaked at MSN Messenger 6.2!
Specifically 6.2 though. Everything after that in MSN Messenger was downhill
7.0 added "Winks" who the fuck liked using those?
7.5 added Nudge. And then people learned that nudging was controlled by the *sender* so you could spam it endlessly with a simple patch. A great way to end up slapped upside the head
8.0 onward had the "Windows Live Mesenger" gross UI rework
Huh, makes me wonder if I have any where it's not a thing.
Like IRC I feel like culturally it's idle/away unless active, XMPP does presence, Slack Web puts you offline constantly, …
when I was just starting to use the internet as a kid, it was gchat. So many good conversations happened in the panel on the left of Gmail, and the status icons made it all possible. I know that descended from a long line of other online chat systems. I was really sad when gchat was phased out, and my friends and I had to develop new communication habits together.
You make a good point about the assumption that everyone is online. The closest thing I have to statuses these days is in Slack, but those feel less trustworthy in terms of auto-updating, and since push notifications are sent anyways they don't serve much of a purpose.
@jacob yep! Yep.... Yes T_T
By the by, I got the inspiration from reading blog.danpetrolito.xyz/i-built-… about a tool that would show "presence" in Discord. And then I found one of many papers from the olden days that actually did some research on the topic of "online presence" oppl.info/publication/oppl-200…
I built something that changed my friend group's social fabric
This is a story that started back in 2022, but I think its a perfect time to reflect on the impact that it has had on my friend group still to this day.Dan Petrolito
I'm still confused by the number of people who are apologetic for not immediately answering. I keep reassuring them, I'm totally comfortable with async communication.
I leave a message, you get it when you can and unless I'm calling, texting and otherwise throwing up signal flares, that's all fine.
i notice that both Discord and Teams make a halfhearted attempt to follow this protocol.
I have Discord on my phone, so really I'm only 'away' when I'm asleep.
yes! 100 times this!
Just to be able to wake up in the middle of the night with insomnia and take a look to see who else is kicking around was priceless. Asynchronous conversation just doesn't cut it.
I miss that stuff so so much… Been thinking about it for a while now. (and yes, i’m ND)
And as a general thing, I hate the untold assumption that everyone would always be online nowadays
@mausmalone indeed. I personally decided not to install work Slack on my personal phone; it is inconvenient at times, but at least I know there's no sudden "hey, a quick question if you're still around" at 10 PM.
Sadly, not everyone can afford this...
@mausmalone I assumed something to that effect, but I wonder if there isn't something like that you could say.
I doubt they'd think it through very well, lol.
well ... yes and no. It depends on how you set it up. I'm currently on 5 Slack workspaces and only 4 of them are actually work. One is a shop-talk group for higher-ed WordPress users and on THAT workspace they allow vendors.
Anyhow, sure I could go "Away" on that workspace, but not on the other 4.
I'm feeling pretty violent about it!
I don't even use it directly, using the Iron browser instead.
Back then, I rarely saw most of those. Most people were only ever available, away, or offline.
I imagine that's because all of those were set automatically by the computer. A person would be listed as “offline” if the computer was turned off or modem disconnected, “away” if the computer was idle, or “available” if the computer was actively being used.
turning off read receipts is essential for any messaging app that offers it. People don't see when I "read" their message and I don't see when they read mine.
I do miss the context statuses of ICQ, MSN Messenger and the like though. Wouldn't object to seeing something like that come back somewhere
Yeah! ICQ. Now THAT was a cool chat app.
(4229782, I'm prettttty sure - although I haven't used it in a decade)
oh wait. did some digging. I was right! Ha ha, hilarious. Uselses information ftw!
but yeah - those notifiers, SO helpful. Holy heck yes.
Interesting. I would usually think “if everyone is on, NO ONE is on” and that, similar to texting or email, the un-statused blindness would lead to the assumption of “if they’re there and they want to, they’ll answer, but I don’t have to expect anything.”
On ICQ I was usually perma-offline anyway. Don’t think I saw anyone really lean into the myriad of statuses; would usually think that kind of “choice fidelity” would lead to its own stress.
@cthellis I think both "they will get a notification and reply" and "idk maybe they're not online right now and I want to have a focused chat so maybe I won't message first" could happen at the current model.
Lots of people in the comments mentioned that they didn't really use any statuses beyond Online and Away, and I think it is fine too!
Interestingly business-grade chat apps still have this (3CX phone systems, Microsoft Teams).
It's just consumer-facing products that have removed it for some reason..
you are so right about this. The expectation of constant availability is very unhealthy and I think we are all familiar with the negative effects.
Even on sites/apps where you're still able to set a status, people don't respect it.
On top of that, I passionately despise read receipts. I feel like the only effects of that are unnecessary anxiety, drama, possessiveness and control (they only make sense for important work/school e-mails imo)
I've been using #XMPP for the last year or so, wondering if the halcyon ICQ days of yore are still to be had.
After testing it with several friends connecting to my own self-hosted #Prosody server, here's what I found:
- Yes it all works, on all XMPP clients. But MacOS/iPadOS/iOS clients are not all that mature at this time. The #Linux (#Gajim, despite no video or audio calls) and #Android (#Conversations) XMPP clients are the best, IMHO. Always favor those, I say, and they are confidently installable and reliable today.
- Yes, use OMEMO encryption on personal chats. But when it comes to group chats, OMEMO is not necessarily the right move.
- If you don't need privacy in an XMPP group, then don't create a private group, but rather a _public_ group (the safer choice for reliability of message delivery). No OMEMO is possible in a public group, and the messages propagating around will be reliable, even to clients who vanish and re-appear after prolonged absences.
- If you really need OMEMO encryption in a group chat, create a _private_ group, not a public group. **Clients who vanish from the group for prolonged periods may miss out on some of the messages when they return (say, a few weeks later)**.
- I kept a wiki with several more quirks noted, which came up, and felt confusing and frustrating to my (non-geek) friends using XMPP.
As to your Apple-ecosystem-confined friends, at this moment in time, maybe talk to them 1:1 in #Fluffychat/Matrix, which affords encryption, and is all #OpenSource, like everything above. (Groups in #Matrix have a track record of failing for everybody in them very badly every 2 or 3 years or so.)
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I'm using it on an iPhone XS iOS 18.5, a 2015 MacBook Pro running Linux Mint and a Samsung S9 running Lineage OS, fully synchronised.
Great UI, awesome UX.
Well worth a look at least...
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Always improving, and very receptive to suggestions for improvements.
I use multiple Profiles a lot for non family chats. That way you can just delete the profile when a group or contact reaches end-of-use status.
You can always rejoin.
@avoca #Deltachat feels Alpha quality to me, *once you stray off the path of plain old 1:1 encrypted text messages, with possible file attachments, including voice memos* - which Deltachat is brilliant at (uniform clients on all supported platforms is greatly appreciated).
The #XMPP world is more "Beta-quality" feeling to me - is the lesser of evils for those geeky types who can manage its quirky landscape, and still feel like they're having fun.
*The devil is in the details* for all these ecosystems: XMPP, #Matrix, and Deltachat.
If you want something to "just work", I say use #Signal and refrain from complaining about its centralized nature. At least something "just works" today in this domain (end-to-end encrypted instant messaging, which is also reasonably private), which is reliable and trustworthy *for now*.
@AdmiralMemo sounds like a fair evaluation of "when", but I still don't think that this is necessarily "why". Lots of people in my circle used ICQ on mobile and leveraged the status system.
Curiously, every now and then Facebook tries to bring the status back in Messenger, but I'm not sure it worked out
@wink that is true, but also consider: it means people weren't always online, there wasn't an expectation that someone would reply immediately if they're offline; but you could somewhat expect a reply if someone actually was online.
Imagine being able to login to WhatsApp once a day to check messages and chat with friends, rather than getting push notifications 200 times a day
Also as someone who has most notifications off and manually checks when he feels like it, it simply is not a problem for me, with the tradeoff of responding hours late :/
@storm hooray, finally someone other than me complaining about this.
I feel less alone in this presenceless future.
I remember that. Also remember being blown away by ICQ. That was such an innovation for the time.
In a way, the same status indicator exists today, at least on the receiver side, but it's hidden in complex layers upon layers of phone settings 😞
To be fair, I like not knowing when people are online and not, and people not knowing that of me. I also always turn off the typing and online messages when possible. I feel seeing those statusen causes anxiousness. "he read it/is online, why doesn't he reply". "he's typing, why does it take so long".
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I would argue, people assume others reply asap, not the app. And that's those people's fault.
The thing I love about chats is that people can reach me when they have time, and I can reply when I have time for it in my own pace. Think about that thing you keep forgetting to ask me at midnight? Sure send a message. My phone is on DND-mode and I'll read it and reply after I wake up and have time, no rushing. (I don't do this to others unless I know they feel like this too).
@Nina Kalinina
That depends on definition of being pushed.
If there is no threat, then it's not a push, but a decision (imho)
Indeed things have changed. The assumption "always online and available " is bad indeed.
I must admit I actually really like the async way modern chats use.
I can have a conversation with my friends over multiple days, no need to check if they're available or not, they'll reply when they have time. No pressure.
@me
On a very surface level, yes, but not really, no. I can't send you a burst of messages with 10 seconds between each one without it being super annoying to you by email.
Also not made for rapid exchanges , like if you reply to my message while I'm writing one, I won't be able to read it without reloading the page or something
Also not sure you can jump in a call seemlessly from an email exchange, it's just not made for realtime communication
None of my friends expect me to reply immediately, nor do I expect them to. We're even used to (non-urgent) chats pausing without further comment. When something is important+urgent enough to requires rapid responses, usually everyone unterstands that and acts accordingly (like saying "gtg for now" when they have to)
For me ICQ represents a time of the Internet-era where it was almost friendly.
Where you could randomly A/S/L and it was almost OK!
You could also easily amalgamate them into a single interface instead of having a billion separate apps (and their desperate venn diagrams of contacts)
Wait, what. Trillian (for one example) still exits.
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Jonathan Lamothe
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