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A great conversation in the supporter Discord/Matrix reminded me that it's about time to share this fantastic item by @heydon.
Anyway, yes HTML is a programming language and folks who argue with this statement in my comments will be muted, blocked, defederated, or all three.
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The question of "is HTML a programming language" is never about definitions.
It's about excluding a group of laborers from receiving equal compensation to others, as well as a means to justify not teaching engineers how to center web content without several frameworks.
I will not be taking questions.
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I've never viewed this question from a social equality perspective. I've only ever taken it from a technological perspective, and one of the lineage of HTML from SGML->XML->HTML.
Of course the social aspects of equality for labor goes without saying. No argument.
I couldn't care less if HTML is or isn't a "programming language"...
What I do know is that developers who write HTML are programmers, and their skills and efforts are extremely valuable. They deserve to be appropriately compensated and respected for their knowledge and work.
I didn't know that question was a matter of labour rights. (I'm not anywhere near that industry, though) Good to know!
I definitely thought it was some pedantic/academic watercooler conversation.
This recent talk from Felienne Hermans (“A Case for Feminism in Programming Language Design”) points in a similar direction: a hard-to-learn language is “more like programming” just because it is… harder to learn (than spreadsheets for example).
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HTML, The Programming Language
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Like I wrote on my wiki:
HTML is a programming language. There, I said it.
It's a programming language because it lets people tell the computer to do cool stuff. In this case, show all kinds of things on screen. That's not much, you say? So what. It's fun. Meaningful. Often even useful.
So, you can't use HTML to perform computation. Big deal. It's been a long time since computers were all, or even mainly, about computation. Deal with it.
that's one way to see it. but web developer and trucker were the two number one jobs in the US, and nothing drives wages down like too many applicants.
HTML/CSS is definitely a programming language though.
Have to confess I was in the “no it isn’t” camp for a long time. Not out of a sense of superiority (or insecurity), but on the question of Turing completeness. But I can relate to the idea of a declarative DSL, and tip my hat to those who have mastered all of the complexity of HTML and CSS across the fragmented browser landscape.
Thank you for sharing this link.
@davew yeah the whole Turing completeness thing feels rational but there's plenty out there that lacks it. Like, I'd say someone who is writing regex is programming, but I don't think it's Turing complete?
The fact that we don't have this conversation about SQL or regex betrays the real reason for the distinction IMO, and it has more to do with a perception of who is doing the work instead of a real discussion of the merits of the language.
i think a good counter-example to html/css being "just markup" is all the cool stuff people on cohost came up with back when it was still around
here's a list of many of them, there's a lot of really cool stuff there (it's all inline-only css and html):
cohost.org/YellowAfterlife/pos…
i've made a few as well - for example
this is a 3d first person game with free movement and interactive elements: cohost.org/rebane2001/post/791…
and this is a blackjack implementation that implements randomness, and does math and logic to figure out what the card totals are and who won the game: cohost.org/rebane2001/post/563…
i don't think you need an example like one of those to call something programming, but they are pretty effective at demonstrating being "more of a program" than most landing pages programmed with a js web framework out there
i think the argument is dumb anyways because it's usually not brought up to help someone, but to instead make them seem inferior for not using "a real programming language" or to just be annoying about it
Some of the CSS crimes of all times
I've had a collection of CSS crime post links salvaged from my likes and perhaps you might like these too! There are a hundred or so links here. Notes: 1.Vadym on cohost
@mausmalone I don't think most rational people ever really think about it. Other than as a means to separate front-end work from other work from a compensation purpose.
Folks on the internet like to make a fuss about it but they literally couldn't design their way out of a paper bag so there's that.
I think human tendency to shorten things is the problem. When people ask "is it programming language", they don't usually mean THAT, but "is it Turing-complete programming language". In other words: "Can I port Doom to run under it?"
Not that there aren't surprises there too: in that specific sense PostScript, LaTeX and Minecraft are "(Turing-complete) programming languages", while regexps, SQL and HTML aren't.
The term shouldn't be related to their market value, though...
@Veronica Explains As a former proponent of "HTML is not a programming language", I can state that this video makes a compelling argument to the contrary.
I was wrong.
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@scunneen I don't know, I think someone typing into a web form (like I'm doing right now) isn't likely to be considered computer programming (same as using Word). Even though the end result is turned to HTML at some point.
But if I hand wrote an entire .docx in vim and my boss were looking behind my shoulder, they'd be forgiven for seeing the waste of time as "programming".
You could make an argument that using Word could qualify as programming if you use advanced features like document-internal hyperlinks
Because I have a habit of misplacing things, I have a rule where my glasses are concerned: on my face or in the case.*
This rule does not help me so much when I misplace the case itself.
* This also serves to prevent me from leaving my glasses somewhere that they might be damaged.
#ADHD
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@Kevin Davy I established this rule when I was training for my last job. The training was on-line and we were given a 10 minute break. Punctuality was very heavily emphasized. I set them down somewhere when I left on break and realized I wasn't wearing them when I came back and couldn't read my screen.
Bad times were had.
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My son has a much loved audiobook that he listens to every night. But. One of the line reads in it scared him sometimes, and he sometimes fears to listen because he's worried about it.
We talked, and we're experimenting with a version of the story where the line is said in my voice, I opened the file, cut out the scary line, said it instead in my voice, and left the rest of the audiobook intact.
Talk to me again about DRM.
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@Mister Spinalzo yeah! I 100% paid for the book for my son to enjoy! The line reading was great! But sometimes the line read of "a dragon surprises the main character" is too scarey for an anxious 5yo!
Thanks for writting books it's important work!
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It should come as no surprise to anyone who's been paying attention that I've grown disillusioned with capitalism over the past several years. What's interesting to me though is that any time I express this publicly, there are no shortage of capitalists who falsely assert that I am claiming that communism is the ultimate solution to everything. This is a false dichotomy.
I am not saying I have the answers to the world's problems. I just have eyes to see that the emperor has no clothes.
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6 lines free for anyone that wants to play on this PDP-11/70 running Version 7 UNIX.
ssh misspiggy@tty.livingcomputers.org
Drop in "com" to have messages displayed on the terminals.
#retrocomputing #unix #vintage
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writing a guestbook entry on a pdp11 isn't something you can do every day.
Great idea 👌
@mvilain I'd never heard of this, and DuckDuckGo isn't telling me much. What markets did the DECDataSystem target?
(I used 11/70s early in my career, though. RSTS/E and 2.x BSD.)
Just beautiful. Great reminder how pure and powerful Unix once was.
Thinking about it, my first serial-line terminal login on a SysV machine was back in January 1990, eons ago. It was a big tower case server with a 68020, and even then it was considered an older machine for legacy projects and unimportant enough to let newbs like me have a go at it. Your machine is about a generation or two older, and still running strong. Great job!
Hey #Unix folks recommend me your favorite games that can run in the terminal that aren't:
1) the most basic boring arcade stuff like snake or missile command
2) roguelikes/dungeon crawlers (love em but there's no lack of those)
3) chess, backgammon, etc., more meaty board games sure but there's already a million easy to find ways to play chess in a terminal
edit: 4) IF, I know where to find plenty of that, forgot this one
This is for my machine with no gui so when I say terminal I mean terminal not just like "text based and looks like it'd be in a terminal maybe".
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Have you investigated interactive fiction? The game that has stuck with me as a good introduction to the medium was Photopia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photopia
There are likely many other on-ramps to text adventures, probably newer and better games, but I just thought that one had pretty colors 😉
XorCurses - github.com/jwm-art-net/XorCurs…
Greed - catb.org/~esr/greed/
CurseofWar - a-nikolaev.github.io/curseofwa…
Liberal Crime Squad - lcs.wikidot.com/start
StarLanes - github.com/mmpub/StarLanes
chroma - level7.org.uk/chroma/
pokete - lxgr-linux.github.io/pokete/
There are a few different tetris, pacman and sokoban clones.
GitHub - jwm-art-net/XorCurses: A remake of Xor by Astral Software for Linux, using Ncurses.
A remake of Xor by Astral Software for Linux, using Ncurses. - GitHub - jwm-art-net/XorCurses: A remake of Xor by Astral Software for Linux, using Ncurses.GitHub
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Games of No Time To Play
So much fun can be had with a scripting language and a terminal emulator.ctrl-c.club
I believe old versions of Dwarf Fortress have an ncurses mode which runs in the terminal. Dont think its supported anymore on the steam/itch release though, sadly.
(I hope DF doesn't count as a roguelike or dungeon crawler 😀 )
GitHub - wimpysworld/antsy-alien-attack: A game, written in Bash, that is a somewhat retro-a-like shoot 'em up. Hopefully.
A game, written in Bash, that is a somewhat retro-a-like shoot 'em up. Hopefully. - GitHub - wimpysworld/antsy-alien-attack: A game, written in Bash, that is a somewhat retro-a-like shoot '...GitHub
bsdgames, but I wanted to specifically recommend hunt from there as a multiplayer shooter. Surprizingly fun for what it is. Only works in multiplayer though.
I think I have this in acceptable condition for someone else to try it... git.sr.ht/~rlonstein/wordwhiz-…
A rewrite of a little word tile game I first wrote in 2011 inspired by the Wordsmith game in my first Tivo.
exceptionally cursed but: I once hacked a ncurses TUI display mode into a Gameboy emulator, using half-height unicode blocks to get 2 square-ish pixels per text character. worked badly, but worked nonetheless
unfortunately I don’t think I still have a copy I can share, but if you have the time and the know how it is both possible and very funny
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21 Peerless ASCII Games - LinuxLinks
Text-based games are often forgotten and neglected. However, there are many ASCII gems out there waiting to be explored which are immensely addictive and great fun to play.Steve Emms (LinuxLinks)
are you certain? It could last I checked!
[PRINT_MODE:TEXT] in data/init/init.txt
@via unreachable I didn't have an init folder under data. I added it and got the following when I launched it, I got the following error:
Display not found and PRINT_MODE not set to TEXT, aborting.
@me it looks like Debian moved stuff around; try editing /usr/share/games/dwarf-fortress/gamedata/data/init/init.txt
Change [PRINT_MODE:2D] to [PRINT_MODE:TEXT], and you should get curses output.
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