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I have a friend who's been trying to get on Mastodon but tells me that it doesn't seem to play well with screen readers. I know there are plenty of people on the fedi who do use screen readers, but I have no experience with them myself, so I can't really direct him.
Can someone who does use a #ScreenReader point me in the direction of some resources that might be useful?
#AskFedi #a11y
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I'm certain I have reinvented a wheel here, but for the life of me I can't find it. Have I?
(defmacro jrl-extract-list (vars list &rest body)
"Split a list into indiviual variables"
(let ((list* (gensym)))
(append
`(let ,(cons (list list* list) vars))
(seq-map (lambda (var)
`(setq ,var (car ,list*)
,list* (cdr ,list*)))
vars)
body)))#emacs #lisp #elisp
Edit: Of course it was pcase.
(let ((my-list '(1 2 3)))
(jrl-extract-list (foo bar baz) my-list
(format "foo: %d, bar: %d, baz: %d" foo bar baz)))would yield:
"foo: 1, bar: 2, baz: 3"
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*** Welcome to IELM *** Type (describe-mode) or press C-h m for help.
ELISP> (cl-multiple-value-bind (foo bar baz)
(apply #'cl-values (list 1 2 3))
(list baz bar foo))
(3 2 1)
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ELISP> (cl-destructuring-bind (a s &key (foo 42) bar)
(list 1 2 :bar 666)
(list bar foo s a))
(666 42 2 1)
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My guess is that maybe pcase can do something similar?
pcase confuses me.
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Doesn't destructuring-bind do something along these lines, if not exactly this?
(Assuming you meant Common Lisp. If it's Emacs lisp, then I dunno.)
pcase.
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Was loading stuff onto my Jellyfin server for my mom to watch in the hospital. She liked Star Trek and I thought Strange New Worlds might be a good idea because it's a more fun show than a lot of the other recent Trek shows.
I started watching the first episode to be sure it was working, and realized I'd forgotten the whole thing about what happens with Captain Pike.
...maybe this show isn't the vibe after all...
Fuck.
My mother had a major stroke today. All I can do right now is sit in the waiting room... waiting.
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She spoke! A whole damn sentence!
Of course, it was to chew my dad out for wearing a sweater full of cat hair.
He's never been so happy to be given the gears. π
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When a #neurodivergent person tells you about how something is difficult for them, rather than thinking of them as whiny, consider that this probably means they have a certain level of trust in you to drop their mask enough to do so.
Invalidating that struggle is likely also a pretty effective way of eroding that trust.
#ActuallyADHD
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itβs so exhausting, you choose your words correctly and they ignore them and insert their βinterpretation,β instead. Itβs like talking to the cat. π
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@punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @autistics
I struggle with word interpretation. And you definitely get looked at as bad when you dont follow implicit rules.
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@punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @autistics
It's more profitable for them to "interpret" (distort) than to try to understand. Becomes habit, they do it to each other without thinking. Discard the words and keep their twisted idea of what they meant.
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if it wasn't all of them, you'd call it debilitating paranoia π
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@emily_rugburn @punishmenthurts @angelastella @autistics
I wonder if it comes from reading strategies teachers teach in fiction that causes thatβ¦
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@emily_rugburn @punishmenthurts @angelastella @autistics
Context clues specifically. I realized it might not be obvious what im thinking about.
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I want to use the R-word for the shock value, I want to say, Watch for my next blog, "R-worded by Violence," and I'm serious about it. It should be paranoia, but the same type that's paranoid really is dangerous to everybody, so it's complicated, but that's how I would like to classify them, disabled by their "strength."
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Frequent enough to show a pattern. (I try to not fall into "Us vs. Them" language with my psych, goes without saying.)
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issues with misinterpretation? i was way on the autistic side and my ex was wayyyy on the adhd side and they *always* misinterpreted everything i said, even after multiple conversations that i mean what i say
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gawd, I don't know, I only hatched as Autistic a few years ago . . .
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I've been thinking of Autism and Allism, NTness as opposites, I think I've heard something about people otherwise ND but still Allistic, still not Autistic
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I suppose there could be both sorts, all combinations
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that's all I got, I hope someone has better π
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@autistics @punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn
Used to misinterpret often until my twenties but got better at reading people (normies mostly, really). Misinterpretation was an entirely different pattern from the NT one, though.
(Still w/o formal diagnosis here. Personal certainty at 80% for ADHD, > 50% por autism; other things not at all clear but comorbidities are common; late-blooming trans, FWIW, and there are correlations with that.)
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I'm self assessed, and I'm quite sure about Autism, but I'm starting to consider ADHD. I hadn't, because I'm not hyper, my sibling was the hyper one, but I'm starting to be open to it.
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@emily_rugburn @punishmenthurts @autistics
Same. Never could decide if it was closer to an ADHD or autistic trait. See? There's the overlap again.
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@angelastella @punishmenthurts @autistics living with someone w undiagnosed adhd for over a decade has 100% allowed me to discern that i definitely absolutely do not have any features of adhd.
the amount of chaos that a person w adhd has to live with to function has allowed me to definitively learn that i never ever ever ever want to have any sort of relationship with an adhd'er again.
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@emily_rugburn @punishmenthurts @autistics
Has to live? Hmm. Confirmation that we ADHD fuckers are widely different from each other. I must tolerate my chaos because I cannot control or reduce it, but it hurts me a lot. I lived in ordered environments and didn't become nonfunctional. Autistic need for certain stimuli notwithstanding.
Not defending or justifying anything, just illustrating the AuDHD spectrum.
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@emily_rugburn @punishmenthurts @autistics
Never did really calibrate my personal requirement of these inputs. I think I can manage with sort of an internal generator of novelty, variation, distraction or whatever it is.
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down (and fall asleep amazingly)
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@emily_rugburn @punishmenthurts @autistics
AFAICT that interaction does not usually happen, and I have sensory processing issues that cause me to... malfunction. (Had something close to a meltdown last month during a very noisy, chaotic meeting at a place that had become dark. Not getting visual cues as to who was speaking was the last straw for me.)
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I put myself to sleep like that once, when an acid trip went scary, an emergency shutdown button is handy sometimes
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@punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @autistics
Now that you mention it, that is what happens to me when I smoke weed above a certain dose. If I remove myself from social stimuli, I fall asleep like a baby. Way easier and cleaner than with alcohol.
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I need weed for sleep, but also to be awake.
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that experience was almost fifty years ago, I thought I was having some real brain event, I wasnβt sure I was going to wake up
as myself, I couldnβt think two words together, thought I was, uh, fragmented. π¬
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Happily woke up OK. π
I mean, thatβs my opinion, LOL.
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@angelastella @punishmenthurts @autistics stuff like that happens to me a lot where things bother me but seemingly do not bother other people. then i start spiraling and panicking because i dont understand why it bothers me and no one else. then i end up feeling guilty because it bothers me. then i start having a meltdown because im feeling insane about the whole situation.
the autistic shame cycle strikes again!
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@emily_rugburn @punishmenthurts @autistics
"What's wrong with these people?" Yeah, I know.
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@angelastella @autistics @punishmenthurts i would not be surprised if the dsm combined it all under neurodivergence in the next version *but* i still believe that adhd and autism is far less related than what people actually want it to be.
one good point, autistic people are bottom up thinkers on the whole while people with adhd can be either top down or bottom up. you already have a significant difference in thought processing that can lead to multiple misinterpretations and other issues that cause interpersonal strife.
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Hmm, definitely bottom-up at heart. Learned top-down later and fragmentarily. And yes, it is at the root of miscommunication a lot of the time, even between NTs.
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I want them to find out more on the testing thing⦠I want to know my categories more specifically⦠felt like I got diagnosed with everything.
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I also kinda like the PDA label and the NVLD things cause they feel closer? But they arent in there. I really want presentation styles. Its kinda annoying cause I think my presentation though recognizably autistic to other autisticsβ¦ is very presentation different. My friends describe me as masklessβ¦
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Hell, I really wasn't up to speed with these. Still learning at close to 50 because they cut us off from each other. (No, I'm not bitter, what an idea.)
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@Tooden @punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @autistics
"I got mine, fuck you" is the rough version of that.
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@angelastella @punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @autistics
I find that so, so frustrating.
When I speak, the message is in the fucking words. Not the microcues. Not the body language. Not the tone. I'm verbal.
And yes, it's pretty useless around neurotypicals.
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the very stuff we have to listen to them bragging about in school, how smart humans are to have spoken language!
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Drives ya nuts. π π
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@punishmenthurts @Uair @emily_rugburn @autistics
Yeah, humans. Don't you know that we mutants don't really belong to the species?
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it was surely true at some point, we do have spoken language, but itβs one of those sci-fi stories where theyβve forgotten how it works ππ
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glory days π
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@angelastella @punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @autistics
My theory is that we evolved as a second locus of power in a tribal society. You had the leader, who maintained power through charm and violence. And you had the gender-queer medicine person who was respected as a thinker. When the leader was about to lemming the tribe off a cliff, the medicine person would intervene. And the leader knew to back down.
Just my $0.02
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@Uair @punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @autistics
Agnostic about that hypothesis (actually, fuck me if I know how to get evidence for or against it) but sounds entirely plausible.
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@angelastella @punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @autistics
I just make shit up, but I'm pretty good at it.
I've been doing my own thinking all my life. I've got a head full of state secrets, and nobody ever told 'em to me. I never signed no NDA. I just figured that shit out on my own.
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it doesn't necessarily fit in my system, where we were here first. And so far, it seems their type show up in charge, not taking advice from anyone, but
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if that scenario ever happened, warrior king with an Autistic prime minister or consigliere, it would suggest that when the warriors showed up, some of us foolishly thought we could keep them and use them
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and I was fantasizing that the Neolithic people understood at least breeding if not evolution, and would know not to do that
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We end up with allists in power because the ones willing to hurt others in the pursuit of power usually aren't autistic.
None of the autists I know show the slightest draw to power. The most I can say is that we're driven to find influence by a sense of injustice.
An autist will (in my limited experience) gladly give up a position of power (e.g. give a patent away or give up copyright) if it benefits the world.
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@Mux @punishmenthurts @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics
It's a common trait among autistics that we won't lift a finger to defend ourselves, but get ferociously defensive of people we care about.
I've never gotten in a fight, I've never punched someone who wasn't willing, and I've come close to killing five men for threatening people i cared about.
Woulda got 'em, too. The only reason they're still alive is that I checked myself. It's not who I want to be.
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@Uair @Mux @punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @autistics
Fuck me, so that's an informal diagnostic criterion for autism too?
I've upped my estimate again. Will ask about getting evaluated soon.
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@Mux @punishmenthurts @Uair @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics
Isn't Elon Musk autistic? I believed I read he revealed it himself.
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Don't know, don't care. I'm speaking in generalities anyway. Even if he is, exceptions are to be expected. One autistic trait he definitely does not exhibit is a strong sense of justice.
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@hadon @Mux @punishmenthurts @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics
I'm inclined to believe it because he's such a shitty liar.
Selling a lie is a skill we tend not to possess.
But there's a distinct possibility he's just using that as an excuse for being a fucking asshole.
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yeah. If I had to pick, I say heβs Allistic, but if not, whatβs the difference?
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Does that make being a billionaire Nazi an Autistic trait? If he pursues severely Allistic goals with all of his resources, does it matter if heβs masking, only pretending to be that?
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I mean, this is personal, I have exactly this going with my ex family, they never loved me because Iβm a weirdo, it was always obvious that my in laws strove to be seen as normal
and to be popular, itβs what they live for, but after they disposed of me for imaginary Allistic crimes, now they are all self diagnosed Autistics, and whatβs the difference to me?
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I mean, I hope Iβm the last Autistic these heavily masking Autistics destroy.
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A few famous people masking doesnβt mean itβs not a hyper Allistic thing to be what he is. People mask, people donβt know, one name means nothing.
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Goiterzan, my question was mainly in response to Mux2000: "We end up with allists in power because the ones willing to hurt others in the pursuit of power usually aren't autistic. "
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and I agree with Mux, usually thatβs the case, aggression is more of an Allistic trait than an ND trait, I have written whole books and many blogs and a thousand toots saying that.
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Iβm saying it would be less usual for an Autistic to want that much power, but it surely happens sometimes. And again, weβre talking about types and big data, one dude doesnβt prove anything or mean anything.
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I don't know if there are scientific studies on the subject.
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I was just wondering because Musk has hurt a lot of people and he said he was autistic. So, we have to watch out for prejudgements and don't assume that only a certain type of person can get to high power positions or hurt others.
We all are human, autistic or not; we all are capable of good and bad :/
Nobody is better or worst than others, we are just different.
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@hadon @punishmenthurts @Mux @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics
I think we have more range than neurotypicals. When we're good, we're awesome. But when we turn to the dark side, we can be some of the most evil motherfuckers out there.
My grandfather was.
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what we all CAN do or COULD do means nothing, it doesnβt discriminate, it is the absence of information, it means nothing. Real Allistics hurt way more people than real Autistics, and that any one of them COULD go the other direction means nothing, and do you prefer things that mean nothing? You want to correct me so nothing means anything for me?
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No, I don't want to correct you, I'm just reflecting out loud. And I wondered if there were scientific studies on the subject because I think science is more accurate than our individual perceptions.
If there are no scientific studies on the subject I would always question my own perceptions and conclusions.
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as far as I know there arenβt any. Maybe they call the ND pathologically nonviolent, maybe they study that. π
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This sent me down a Google Scholar rabbit hole from which I emerged with the following conclusion - the current state of research on the intersection between autism and social values, such as control, violence and the will to power is shit.
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@Mux @punishmenthurts @hadon @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics
They just started seriously looking into autism ten years ago. These things take time.
Not to mention the fact that they didn't actually ask the autistic people until a couple years ago.
Ever hear of ABA? It was invented by the same prick who invented conversion therapy. I just watched "Three Kings" and the torture scene is brutal, where they loop the wires over his ears and electrocute him. Mark Wahlberg is a hell of an actor. I'm glad he didn't break his teeth making that shot.
I've seen a picture of an about five year old girl with those same wires over her ears, and her face contorted in a rictus of pain. That's ABA. Torture kids into hiding who they are.
And it was industry-standard treatment for autism until fairly recently.
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It is. Should be illegal but here we are. Year or two ago some of us had to report the hell out of an account promoting ABA. To their credit, the mods at mastodon.social threw them out within the day.
(Of course we used the word "torture" in our reports.)
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Because I have PDAβ¦ I have some diff feelingsβ¦ since my autism causes health issuesβ¦
Im in a space of willing to try anything. CBT/DBT failed. The focus on mindfulness, the part of both of those that made it fail makes me know ACT also wont work. Anything focusing on thought control is a failure. I really need something else. Its so stupid how I canβt find something to actually help me gain a rudder.
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Reminds me of something Douglas Adams wrote: It is a well-known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.
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Can you tell he's an inspiration of mine π
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I've always thought we should randomly draft for it.
Doug had some wisdom to him.
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That's how democracies should work. With lots to choose temporary position, not with elections. What we have now is a mockery of the term.
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@Mux @DziadekMick @punishmenthurts @hadon @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics
America hasn't been a real democracy since WWII. Sadly, democracies can't win wars, and that one was important.
We're almost all the way back to democracy. Give it another couple years.
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Dziadek, makes me think of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
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@hadon @Mux @punishmenthurts @Uair @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics
Think itβs more the belief that itβs not normal to want to have power and control. That sort of desire is a dark side of our selves. And itβs not an original Adams thought.
Dear old Kurt was there before him:
"There is a tragic flaw in our precious Constitution, and I donβt know what can be done to fix it. This is it: Only nut cases want to be president."
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There's hierarchy in animal groups, so yearning for leadership is a natural trait. But natural leadership should be won in a fair way, you have to prove that you are a leader, not impose it by force. So what I consider abnormal is people who lie, cheat or kill to get to power.
A real leader is respected, not feared.
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But do we love (hate) our hierarchies! The authoritarian who doesn't feel a thrill when asking "who is in charge here?" hasn't been born yet.
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@cybervegan @hadon @DziadekMick @Mux @punishmenthurts @Uair @emily_rugburn @autistics
As stated in another branch of this conversation, most of us here don't want to be even near a position of power.
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looping back into a point made earlier β¦ those are the people who should be classed as neurodivergent
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Yeah, what do you mean, βwe,β white man? π (I donβt know that youβre a white man, itβs an old Lone Ranger joke.)
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In which case, Iβll dust this one off.
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That Good Leader fantasy that never actually happens is forever pushed by the majority to justify the filthy swine we do get and itβs not better in the primate groups, just because some primates have a dictator doesnβt somehow make that a good thing.
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the damned epstein files, thereβs your animal alphas, banging your daughters and your wife (and maybe even your dog, what was the movie, denzel and lithgow?) π
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sorry, blogβs gone, Iβll find something later. Second sleep.
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@hadon @Mux @punishmenthurts @Uair @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics
Our original society had no leaders. An elder, yes, but decision-making was done by a group, often advised by a shaman (or similar). I believe leaders came into being when *some fool* decided to claim a piece of land and fight for it.
And to quote somebody: Youβre not a leader without followers.
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Leaderlessness works up to about 150 people. That's all the other human personalities we can keep in our mind. Make things bigger than that, and you need hierarchy. Bureaucracy. Once everybody doesn't know each other, the whole system shifts. You can say agriculture was the downfall of humanity, but I like modern medicine and the internet. I wouldn't trade for even a luxurious hunter-gatherer lifestyle. I like dentistry.
I was talking about before that, but I bet tribes still had a strong man who mostly told people what to do. Most people need someone to do their thinking for them, and there's always some aggro asshole happy to do so.
I honestly don't think modern humans are much different from the cavemen. Evolution works slow.
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oh, boy. π
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OK, nobody reads blogs, so Iβll try to just say it.
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Some anthropologists have stories about how when an egalitarian group gets a βbig man,β starting to push his weight around, how they arrange an accident for him and carry on with their lives. One gets the impression they know they have to nip that shit in the bud.
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The scientists donβt think humans have alphas, I think they have traced alpha family genes in chimps and find no such genetics in humans. (Iβve forgotten where I got that, it may need some citation.)
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But to my mind, they are all alpha aggressive, and what they are really seeing is no FEW alphas among humans, and ALL alphas - so no genetic difference exists to find. My idea is that at some point in our prehistory, somewhere in the near east, the alphas had it all their way, eliminated the beta through zeta typesβor at least their breeding, and most of humankind are now the alphasβ children.
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They all look like alphas because they all think they can tell one another what to do, and they all look like alphas because they hate being told what to do. Freedom! is the cry of the alpha in a world with no-one taking their orders. They burn the books and donβt need to learn because the alpha is the teacher, they tell you what you need to know.
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And my thing, spanking:
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you hit a natural born subject, a zeta, you get obedience, a passive response. You βspank,β a natural born alpha, thatβs fight training and alpha epigenetics.
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So Allism is alphaism, twisted out of context. And spanking doesnβt deter them.
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I wouldnβt necessarily bet the farm, but it works pretty good.
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Oh - that happened with the orangutans, every one is a dormant alpha, and when an alpha dies, someone else grows the big face and such. Sapolsky told us this after Iβd guessed it about people.
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and evolution works at whatever speed the environment changes or you get unselected.
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more theories and βjust so,β evidence:
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Everyone complains about the beta through zetas, the problem is the sheeple - this betrays the complainerβs neurology, they are not with the followers, they think following is stupid. Which makes the speaker alpha-compatible, they think everyone should be an alpha, thinking for themselves. Counterintuitive, maybe, divergent, maybe.
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But there arenβt followers, they are all βleading,β each other.
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You see a million people going the same direction, whoβs to say itβs one leader and a million followers and not a million leaders who only know one way to go and no followers?
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Ask them! See how many call themselves followers.
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I wonβt spam you again, but the second last blog of the Spanking Gene Blog is the Open Letter to the Power, where I try to teach this gonzo idea to the illuminati, to stop abusing their zetas because theyβre NOT zetas and they will never settle down π€£
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for the ND - isnβt that what it feels like, the so called DEP and whatnot, like every bloody one of them seems to automatically assume theyβre your boss, every one has the god given right to tell us how weβre supposed to be about everything? ππππ³
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sorry to spam everyone just to take @hadon through the looking glass πππ€£π
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N., Iβll offer a weakness: youβd think the rut makes every deer and elk an alpha too, the whole herd, children of alphas but they donβt sem to be in quite our state of chaos because of it, not sure what the difference would be . . . I mean, maybe they know it? They donβt assume each other are betas, etc., like humans do?
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extremely speculative, of coarse. π
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EDIT TO ADD: I know there are many sorts of breeding controls, some animals get bred by multiple males and actively choose sperm, rejecting some and keeping others, I donβt know this about particular higher mammals, but any species with both alphas and more passive sorts must have something like that going on. With primates itβs usually just, βcheating,β on the alphas.
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Thatβs part of my idea, that somehow, somewhere, some human alpha defeated all those sorts of checks and balances. π
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Somethingβs bothering, I overreached, orangutans are like that, any one can become the alpha - but I sure donβt know that they were ever a familial alpha sort, like other species, I canβt say that they ever had genetic alphas and genetic others and that thatβs some normal stage, I donβt know that orangutans havenβt been this way since they became orangutans, do I?
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You won't find any scientific evidence because the whole alpha/beta thing is unscientific garbage based on a debunked study in captive wolf populations that didn't even hold for wild ones.
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@DziadekMick @hadon @punishmenthurts @angelastella @emily_rugburn @me @autistics
I call bullshit. Big anarchist societies existed throughout history and prehistory and some exist today.
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These are totally Allistic arguments youβre giving us, N. Like we donβt exist, like there arenβt types.
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90% of everything is shit, and sadly that includes autistic people.
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@Mux @emily_rugburn @Uair @hadon @punishmenthurts @autistics
As long as we're trading made-up statistics (and make no mistake, I respected the hell out of Ted Sturgeon), I'm partial to the one which says that 10% of people are assholes and crooks, 10% are--for all practical purposes--saints, and the remaining 80% can be convinced to swing in either way. Which means: how we organize society means something. Also (partially) explains how a well-run campaign can make fascism come back almost everywhere.
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@angelastella @Mux @emily_rugburn @hadon @punishmenthurts @autistics
I think this is a brilliant analysis.
I feel the same way about sexuality. 10% are straight. 10% are gay. And the 80% are bi, but leaning in different directions.
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So 10% godβs fool Autistics, 80% Allistic, and 10% hyper Allistic?
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@emily_rugburn @hadon @Mux @punishmenthurts @angelastella @autistics
I use it as an excuse for doing good in a shitty world.
My grandfather was a monster. My family is shit. I'm still the teenage rebel flipping them the finger. And in my case, it was the right call. It was the moral decision.
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people believe its malicious and sociopathic
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@Uair @emily_rugburn @Mux @punishmenthurts @angelastella @autistics
Poloniosmonk, you can get away from your grandfather, you can get away from your family, but you can't get away from yourself. You're stuck having to live with yourself 24 hours a day, 7 days a week! So, you better make of him a great person to share life with ;)
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@Mux @punishmenthurts @Uair @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics ...if I had that power, I'd strongly prefer nobody knew it was me. I don't need nor want my name on that stuff, I just want people to be ok. Seeing people happy and safe would be all I want out of it.
This topic makes me tear up. We have all the resources for everyone to be ok, and we, as a species, just don't do it for some reason.
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@arisummerland @hellomiakoda @Mux @punishmenthurts @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics
I fantasize about handing out Xmas cards in the Walmart parking lot with hundred dollar bills in them to obviously struggling parents.
I never aimed so high as to think about being a billionaire, but jesus fuckme christ. I'd give 999 million away as soon as possible.
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itβs probably against the law π π
to give it all away
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@punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @Uair @arisummerland @hellomiakoda @Mux @autistics
If it's not, they will find a way to make it illegal. It's not about the money. It's about power.
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@angelastella @punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @arisummerland @hellomiakoda @Mux @autistics
Naaah, things are changing here. Biden pardoned a shit-ton of student debt. And the Trump-backlash era, which is coming, will be ferociously progressive.
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@Uair @punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @arisummerland @hellomiakoda @Mux @autistics
Let's hope so. Trump et al are making an unholy amount of damage.
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@angelastella @punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @arisummerland @hellomiakoda @Mux @autistics
Oh, yeah. They're utterly destroying my country. It will take generations to fix this.
But I think they're also creating generations who will fix this.
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@hellomiakoda @angelastella @punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @arisummerland @Mux @autistics
Yeah, me neither. But the next generation will grow up in a better world than we did.
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No good deed goes unpunished
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@Mux @punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @arisummerland @hellomiakoda @angelastella @autistics
That is so true.
I've never heard anybody else use that line. Respect.
May you live in interesting times.
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@hellomiakoda @Mux @punishmenthurts @Uair @emily_rugburn @autistics
One thing is the desire to do things like these, and quite another the drive to rule over others, even to achieve these goals. Making tools out of my fellow humans it's not something I'm skilled to do. Let them find their own way, I have quite enough bossing myself.
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@angelastella @hellomiakoda @Mux @punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @autistics
Plus, I'm fucking lazy. Doing other people's thinking for them is too much fucking work.
Learn to do it yourselves.
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@Uair @hellomiakoda @Mux @punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @autistics
Yes, this. It's not that hard, the longest part is learning to detect when you're fooling yourself and correcting it.
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I honestly wouldn't even want it. I know my limitations.
And I've got a Kissingerian understanding of power. I could do good with it. It's just not my game.
I'd rather make people laugh. that's harder, y'know. Comedy is the most difficult of the verbal arts.
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@bardmoss @Uair @punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @autistics
Of all the tasteless, lazy jokes I've read this year, yours certainly is one.
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thank you, I didnβt get it was a joke until you said so, now Iβm laughing.
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At least Polonius doesnβt need a whole nuclear power plant to make him go π
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@punishmenthurts @bardmoss @Uair @emily_rugburn @autistics
Let's say I thought best taking it as such. Defuse it if it was an insult, making them rethink if some other thing. (It apparently was.)
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@bardmoss @angelastella @punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @autistics
You think AI could write my posts?
I'm a hyperlexical verbal genius. I started reading Stephen King at age 7 and John Irving by twelve. I'm a better writer than most published authors.
And you're mistaking me for a Grand Theft Autocomplete machine?
I am very, very insulted.
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I'm just saying the description you gave sounded just like AI. Not that it was written by AI, but it was descriptive thereof.
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but you could get there if you just had more power π€£
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@punishmenthurts @bardmoss @Uair @emily_rugburn @autistics
I'll follow Randall Munroe here: adding more power ends badly.
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@Uair @punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @autistics
And don't you dare have a glitch in your lexical-semantic network and substitute a word for another. They will use that against you instantly and no correction will get things back on track.
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@emily_rugburn @Uair @punishmenthurts @autistics
Of course, NTs play these stupid status and domination games all the time and they won't ever believe we don't have either the skill or the inclination for that.
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@angelastella @emily_rugburn @punishmenthurts @autistics
I've got nothing. I don't have a job, I only have 2 people in my life and one is pretty nonverbally autistic, and I'm broke as a joke. I don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out.
And I /still/ have better things to do with my time than play those stupid status games. Those are for punks who don't have it. If you really do, you don't give a shit.
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thatβs a tough one for me, I love the perfect word, even if no-one knows it and itβs as long as your arm. π³π
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What helps keep me grounded is I know the fancier the words are, itβs often a sign of bullshit, so I try to make myself say things in plain language, if it canβt be said plainly, itβs probably not true enough.
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@emily_rugburn @punishmenthurts @Uair @autistics
Fuck yes. Cursing keeps your brain clean as a motherfucking whistle.
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fuckinβ eh π
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itβs another layer of complexity, a scale of finely tuned emphasis
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I just got fucked by that. I asked someone if a bill had to be paid up front or could be paid in arrears. Afterward, I figured out he didn't know what "in arrears" meant. He just lied to me instead.
I blame the schools. They teach you to never admit you don't know something and always try to bullshit your way through it.
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Cheating bastard. And yes, schools teach hypocrisy, manipulation and pathological indifference to your fellow human's suffering.
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@Mux @Uair @emily_rugburn @punishmenthurts @autistics
No. It's clearly by design. Cold, calculating will to keep us divided, distrustful of each other and unable to cooperate selflessly.
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@Mux @angelastella @emily_rugburn @punishmenthurts @autistics
You might like John Taylor Gatto:
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Thank you, but I don't believe I have the spoons to read long texts (I'll try to find it in audio form).
My own experience of school, and what I've learned about them since, present a solid case against them in any case.
Fucking child prisons.
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@Mux @angelastella @emily_rugburn @punishmenthurts @autistics
Prisons for the crime of adolescence.
Both of my gene donors worked in high schools. That was my dad's line.
You might want to hold onto that until you have the spoons. He was teacher of the year for New York City twice and New York State once. He knows of what he writes.
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Gave it a listen. He's correct, of course, but it's nothing I didn't already know. Funny how he mentions that schools were a Prussian institute, but not that the Prussians were inspired by the methods brahmins used to maintain the Indian caste system...
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@Uair i mean, margaret mead was totally debunked and it physically *pains* me to see anyone praising her.
its like calling margaret sanger the forerunner for women's rights but completely neglecting the whole eugenics thing. blech.
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I thought it was . . . Chagnon that everybody hated. I can't remember, what was Meade's deaL?
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That's fucking hilarious. Thanks for sharing.
Although, I really don't remember a "shocked" tone. I remember it as respectful. But this was 35 years ago and I was a dipshit kid. I'm not gonna reread it now. I have better things to do with my time.
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it's what I call Allistic science. They're good at physics and stuff, but they have a disability regarding the study of humans, they have the mythical, Human Nature sitting where a whole lot of science would be most helpful. The Davids said it gently and only once in #TheDawnOfEverything , that the Turtle Islanders found the Euro invaders to lack the "actuarial," sense, that they do not see how their treatment of one another affects society and their lives, they lack a functioning naΓ―ve psychology.
@punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @Uair This is part of what I mean by saying that the #mindblindness / "theory of mind deficit" idea almost has it backwards. While #allistics do have a theory of mind, they typically let it atrophy from neglect, habitually using the automatic, intuitive mechanisms built into their #EnvironmentalYoke instead of doing any explicit theorizing. That approach may be great if all you're interested in is jockeying for position in a social hierarchy. It's not so great if you'd like to understand what kind of world your actions are building.
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@Uair @Mux @emily_rugburn @punishmenthurts @autistics
Hey, thank you. Back in the day I translated "The Six-Lesson Schoolteacher" for my family and friends. This essay looks like a good companion to it. I don't know which of his books I read because they were re-titled: one was something like Compulsory Miseducation. Decades ago, my now adult kids were babies.
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I hate the bullshit your way through it advice!
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@Energetic_Nova @emily_rugburn @angelastella @punishmenthurts @autistics
The medium is the message.
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Language is so ambiguous, words can have different meanings, even sentences. That's why sometimes we need further clarification.
Think about it:
"He's hot" ( mmm... he's cute? he's mad? or is it the weather? are we actually talking about temperature? ) ;)
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rubbish. It can be, when people want it to be, and a certain sort always wants it to be.
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Yes, that's true too. Some people use ambiguity for different purposes, some to wake up fear and manipulate others, make them suffer; yet ambiguity is also at the basis of humor and it may be used then to make others laugh, feel better.
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not doing what they want it to do "why dont you know what i mean??"
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Me: "Ok Nabu. When was Loki fed?"
HA: "I don't know of anything called lokafed"
Me: "Hmm... I pronounce that a bit jumbled, apparently. I'll add 'lokafed' to the command."
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@sonja @Actually Autistics I don't know that I've noticed it in exactly that way, but my masking has become so deeply ingrained over the years that I seldom give people the opportunity unless I'm very close with them.
This has occasionally been to my detriment, but it has made me into a really solid independent learner when I find something I really want to sink my teeth into.
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Im missing a rudder for learning on my own. Feels like im drifting in spaceβ¦
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Yes
My pain mostly comes from trying to join specific alternative lifestyles and their special-interest groups (like around the german BDSM scene)
People there literally say things like "we are not here to spoonfed you" or "we dont deal with low-effort people"
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Oh yes! It is sooo making tired to explain... and never been understood (hope my english is ok π)
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Talking on the phone is something I've always sucked at, while I'm completely fluent when typing out text messages and do that on the reg.
Also, it's possible to manage sensory issues and the like; I used to have major issues with getting goopy stuff on my skin, so things like paint, glue, etc, for the longest time as a kid, for example, although I have since learned to manage that and it's not really an issue for me anymore, but that still takes a lot of time and effort to get to that point and sensory issues don't just go away even if they're successfully managed; they still exist.
@DFX4509B (Joshua Mason) Yeah, my biggest problem is that my mouth doesn't have a backspace key. I can draft and re-draft written correspondence before hitting send, but when I say a thing, it's just out there.
Also, I sometimes need multiple passes over a sentence to process what someone has said (or written). People get upset when I ask them to repeat certain things more than once. When it's written, I just move my eyes back to the beginning of the sentence as many times as necessary and nobody's any the wiser (except for me, I guess).
Also, it feels kinda nice to be able to open up here or on Mastodon, while if I tried opening up similarly on Facebook or Twitter, or sadly even Bsky to some extent for that matter, I'd probably get ostracized for it.
Although I'm more of a visual type when it comes to expression anyways, as in I like to draw or paint a lot and consider myself pretty good at it.
I have bipolar disorder, in treatment for decades. It's a neurodivergent condition as well.
I kinda don't care what people take me for, though. Some people are just going to find what they don't like wherever they look.
I scare people.
And I trust no one.
It sure is. But the times I get consideration it is for them a passing moment in time, while for me it is literary my everyday.
Too often the same people forget that moment, the next times we are in a similar situation.
That <insert_expletive_here> boss of mine totally doesn't get this at all, yet somehow he became a people leader.
Has the people skills of a bowling ball
@Sonikku All too freaking common.
A good boss should reduce or remove barriers that impede their subordinates from doing their job effectively. Shockingly few can actually accomplish this.
Just learned that they're shutting the power off tomorrow for 4-5 hours.
That's gonna suck.
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I just put a call to eval in my code and I feel dirty now.
The context went something like this:
(eval (cons 'concat (my-function arg1 arg2)))I had initially hoped to use
(concat . (my-function arg1 arg2))...but this resulted in a call to
(concat my-function arg1 arg2)Which was not what I expected.
Is there a better way I could've written this?
#emacs #lisp #elisp
Edit: Got my answer. I wanted:
(apply 'concat (my-func arg1 arg2))Edit 2:
It turns out the code I really wanted was:
(string-join arg2 arg1)I love reinventing the wheel because I didn't know it was already there.
Edit 3:
Here's the actual code:
(defun lambdamoo-run-text-replacements (str)
"Perform text replacements on the string"
(dolist (vals lambdamoo-text-replacements)
(let* ((from (car vals))
(to (cdr vals))
(split (split-string str from)))
(setq str (string-join split to))))
str)Let's see if there's anything else I've reinvented here.
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(concat . (my-function arg1 arg2))
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(concat my-function arg1 arg2)
Try to visualize the cons cells (and re-read how Lisp represents lists as cons cells) to understand why.
So this is actually correct.
@hajovonta Yup. Got my answer.
I had figured out why it wasn't working. I was just unaware of the existence of the apply function, which turned out to be exactly what I needed.
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@Thuna ...and this is why I wish I could search for functions by type signature like in Haskell. π
I find myself reinventing the wheel oftentimes simply because I didn't know the function I wanted already existed.
string-join, and it even includes other functionality that I had implemented myself. It allowed me to delete an entire other function.
dolist loop.
@Simon Brooke What I was looking to do was to call concat with the list returned by (my-function arg1 arg2) used as arguments.
As it turns out, all the functionality I was looking for was already supplied by the string-join function. I just didn't know it existed.
(catch :abort
;; do something
(when condition
(message "A bad thing happened")
(throw :abort nil))
;; do something else
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(progn
;; do something
(when condition
(user-error "A bad thing happened"))
;; do something else
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#emacs #lisp
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well, there is hoogle for that.
Although I agree, it should be possible to search by signature in GHCi for all modules in scope, without building an index first.
FYI in case it's useful to you.
If you use generic functions (via `defgeneric` or `defmethod`) the resulting methods specialize on classes (and other things, but it isn't the same as all types). The slime inspector will show you all the method signatures for different methods, and you could no doubt write tools though I don't know if the method type signatures are available via standard API (it might be, I just haven't tried).
As a Schemer (and formerly/sometimes still Objective-C), everything is pretty verbose, and my own functions even more so, so I can search by function name knowing the type and parameters. (vector-index vec searchfunc), (draw-rect-with-edge-color rect edge-width color), etc.
There's no excuse for hardcore Lisp functions like (wadsf w q) "wander down stack frames for word query" (fictional but not unlikely).
#lisp
#Elisp logic:
All interned symbols can be found in a lookup table. This table is bound to the obarray symbol.
Hang on a minute...
I can only assume that the underlying C code has its own pointer to this table and the obarray symbol is only provided as a convenience for elisp functions that can't see this pointer?
#emacs #lisp
No no, the obarray you see from elisp is the same one used by the reader. Elisp is an old-style Lisp here, and the obarray is a first-class thing: you can make a new one, rebind obarray, etc.
That's the sort of thing people don't do much anymore, but used to do. The documentation covers it reasonably well gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/β¦
I'm starting to get the impression that my doctor's office is trying to drum up business by giving me repeated heart attacks with vague voicemails about some test results I'm waiting on.
For the record, according to the information I have at this very moment, everything is (probably) fine.
I'm a little self-conscious about it as non-trivial is relative, but...
(defmacro lambdamoo-chatter-interact
(func-name to msg docstring fmtstr &rest vals)
"Define a function for interacting with another player"
(let ((proc (gensym))
(str (gensym)))
`(defun ,func-name (,proc ,str)
,docstring
(let ((,to lambdamoo-chatter)
(,msg (substring-no-properties (lambdamoo-command-text ,str))))
(if ,to
(funcall lambdamoo-send-line ,proc
(format ,fmtstr . ,vals))
(message "No chatter specified"))))))
That's awesome. I need to hear my own advice, of course, but don't be inhibited to share something that isn't finished. It's the Fediverse! We're all anarchists! The kind sort, I mean.
Lisp macros are just so powerful.
Wait, how do you get the awesome code formatting? Anybody know how to configure this on fediscience.org?
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@James Endres Howell Frendica has a markdown add-on.
I just typed:
```lisp
...code...
```Typing that however was trickier.
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Also, happy birthday to Stella who is going to take a bunch of work to make into another viable starter.
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@screwlisp @Judy Anderson
I've been looking to migrate more of my workflow into emacs, in this particular case I'm looking to moo via emacs which I believe you both do?
I believe @screwlisp has mentioned using rmoo, but the only repo I found for that hasn't been updated in over a decade. Is there something more recent I'm not aware of?
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codeberg.org/ggxx/rmoo
I can offer you the moo.el I use, it started out as something by Pavel and/or wRog and was recently updated by KMP for Emacs 29. Randomly looking at some comments I see references to williams.edu making me think that JoeFeedback had a hand in it as well.
download at olum.org/yduj/moo.el
".moo_worlds" file format:
/def settype
/settype MOO
/addworld LambdaMOO lambda.moo.mud.org 8888
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I kinda think the version of moo.el that I have will automatically add LambdaMOO when you load moo.el if you don't have a .moo_worlds. I think you only need that if you have more worlds. YMMV, but try pulling moo.el into emacs and searching for 8888 to see the logic that I think is probably doing this. (I didn't track back to see where 'file' is getting its value, but I assume it's .moo_worlds because I don't have a .moo_worlds and somehow LambdaMOO is pre-defined.)
Also, you can, if you prefer, use the mud-add-world function from your .emacs (possibly multiple times with different hosts) to avoid a .moo_worlds. Whether that file is a help or hindrance is a personal taste issue. This is what my .emacs says, right after loading moo.el. It adds MOOsaico, a multilingual MOO in Portugal that I helped program (3 decades ago):
(mud-add-world "MOOsaico" "" "" "moosaico.moo.mud.org" 8888
(intern-soft "MOO" mud-types) t)
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if you want a very lazy solution, Comint mode allows TCP connections (and supports things like history and word navigation). Obviously no fancy features, but it beats telnet!
I can't remember the exact function, I think its "(make-comint 'moo '(ADDRESS . PORT))"
mud-mcp.el
wrog.net/emacs/#mud-mcp
is what I use. The main advantages of it:
(1) MCP support if you care about that (matters more for JHCore, which enables MCP by default... I think an MCP implementation *does* exist at LambdaMOO)
(2) it is a very thin layer on top of comint.el (what all of the other terminal modes in Emacs use under the hood -- meaning if you're used to the shell and telnet modes, this works the same way and you get all of the various features without having to do any work + it's actively maintained as part of the core Emacs distribution)
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> had do a little finessing to get it to installed
out of curiosity: what was the problem?
Is it that I didn't make a (M)ELPA package out of it? (nobody just drops things in their ./emacs directory anymore?)
or some other issue?
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M-x package-install-file, it didn't like that the file didn't end with:;;; mud-mcp.el ends hereI just had to add that and it was all good.
ok, so the answer is indeed
"nobody just drops things in their ./emacs directory anymore"
(really, that's all it's supposed to be.
well okay, that plus
M-x load-library mud-mcp
which is the old-school way of doing things)
(wRog needs to learn MELPA. Film at 11.)
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@Roger Crewβ ββπΈββββ @Judy Anderson @screwlisp It essentially already was a valid ELPA package with the mentioned exception.
I'm currently in the process of adding my own custonizations. I've added a rudimebtary shim that processes lines entered bu the user so that it can support commands that get processed on the client side.
Here's an excerpt:
(require 'mud-mcp)
(defun lambdamoo ()
"Connect to LambdaMOO"
(interactive)
(mud-mcp-connect "LambdaMOO" "lambda.moo.mud.org" 8888)
(setq lambdamoo-send-line comint-input-sender
comint-input-sender #'lambdamoo-process-line))
(defconst lambdamoo-commands
'(("send" . lambdamoo-send)
("test" . lambdamoo-test))
"Command functions")
(defvar lambdamoo-send-line nil
"The function that is called to send a line to the server")
(defun lambdamoo-process-line (proc str)
"Process input sent by the user"
(if (string-prefix-p "/" str)
(lambdamoo-process-command proc str)
(funcall lambdamoo-send-line proc str)))
(defun lambdamoo-process-command (proc str)
"Process a command"
(let* ((words (split-string str))
(command (string-trim-left (car words) "/"))
(found (assoc (downcase command)
lambdamoo-commands
#'string=))
(func (and found (cdr found))))
(if func
(funcall func proc str)
(message "Command '%s' not found." command))))After I wrote all this, I found comments in the file detailing how to add functionality.
Is there a more "proper" way I could've done this?
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