People who don't like #Rust: why specifically don't you like it?
I'm in the process of learning it now. There are definitely some things about the language that I can see some as finding irritating (i.e.: the borrowing system). Personally though, I'd rather have a dozen complie-time errors than a single runtime error. This is the reason I tend to gravitate towards Haskell, for instance.
It's certainly not the right language for everything, but if you want better safety in code that needs to be highly efficient, it seems a reasonable alternative to C/C++.
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Dear OpenBoard,
I have you set to English (UK) for a reason (because English (CA) isn't an option). Quit trying to autocorrect "colour" to "color".
Thanks.
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Ep. 309 The Covenant, the Sword and the Arm of the Lord Part 1 - Episode 107 Remastered
In this remastered conversation, I speak with former co-leader of the Covenant, the Sword and the Arm of the Lord (CSA). Unfortunately, I found out recently that Kerry passed away last year.Spreaker
@Reiddragon @me
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DJ UNK and I basically have a show that's just about what @me does.
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so according to classic Bell labs at worst jlamothe is a minor success ;p
Diving into the #Veilid documentation... or what I can find of it.
I have an idea that may well turn out to be vapourware, but my brain won't let me drop it if I don't at least try to build it.
I've been itching to do something with Veilid since @The Gibson first announced it.
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I honestly didn't think veilid managed to get anywhere, which was sad.
VeilidChat exists but I think that's the only productive/useful project.
Development on the repos has really slowed down post-announcement, which isn't inherently a bad thing, if it's "done", but I don't think it's done - instead it feels stalled.
Maybe it all moved on-network and to places I can't see? That'd be cool.
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Dear spammers:
If you're going to create fake accounts, maybe don't choose a profile photo with an iStock watermark...
Ep. 308 The Unification Church with Jen Kiaba - Episode 88 Remastered
In this episode we continue our coverage of The Unification Church. This episode includes an interview with artist and activist Jen Kiaba who creates art depicting the spiritual abuse that comes with control and coercion. Find her work here at www.Spreaker
#FediBlock
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@Alex :autism: :neofox_flag_ace: Good to know. I don't like to use third-party lists, because I use defederation as a last resort, and want to make those calls on a case-by-case basis as I become aware of them. Fortunately, I'm a small enough server that that's been a sustainable policy so far.
I'll check out those other two, though I'm pretty sure I already have at least noagendatube.com blocked already. It sounds familiar.
So, I'm eating a Wagonwheel for the first time since childhood. I'm not sure if they've gotten significantly smaller, or if I'm just remembering them as being larger than they were.
Probably both.
There's this little Chinese restaurant that Katy and I like to order from occasionally. Because this is Canada, the fortune cookies tend to have English and French on them (one language on each side of the paper). They're manufactured in such a way that when I crack them open, I usually see the French side first, which usually isn't a problem.
I'll admit that my French is not as good as my English, but I'm more or less bilingual. This time though, I swear the French side of the fortune was generated by a Markov chain or something. I was actually forced to read the English side to figure out what they were trying to say.
The French side:
Vos yeux délicieux, voire dynamiques, ont fait naître un admirateur mystérieux.
The English side:
Your dynamic eyes have attracted a secret admirer.
Am I just forgetting how to speak French, or is this a really clumsily constructed sentence?
Ep. 307 Cult Chatting with Caroline Ansley
This week we finally have a new episode. I sat down with Caroline Ansley to discuss cults and coercive control. Caroline, a medical doctor, activist, advocate and cult survivor, is doing SO much to combat these issues in her homeland of New Zealand.Spreaker
shakedown.social/@chopaganda/1… chopaganda@shakedown.social - Twitter literally suspended the people who outed the Nazi instead of the Nazi himself. Why? The Nazi asked Elon to suspend them.And some of you reading this still help to keep Twitter alive. Get the fuck off that shit and don’t look back.
arstechnica.com/tech-policy/20…
After appeal to Musk, X suspends accounts that outed neo-Nazi cartoonist
Researchers, journalists are blocked from sharing the alleged identity of Stonetoss.Ars Technica
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Ep. 306 Scientology - 20 Years In - Episode 65 Remastered Part 2
This was one of my first introductions to Scientology. Can you tell? Lots has changed in terms of my understanding of cults, of Scientology and my interview style. In this interview, I chat with Fred.Spreaker
Ep. 306 Scientology - 20 Years In - Episode 65 Remastered
This was one of my first introductions to Scientology. Can you tell? Lots has changed in terms of my understanding of cults, of Scientology and my interview style. In this interview, I chat with Fred.Spreaker
At some point (apparently last December) a new #Friendica version came out and I hadn't noticed. Finally got around to upgrading, and it seems to be running much more smoothly than the previous version.
Also, there's a "channels" feature now? Gonna have to look into what that is.
The reason I dislike pure free-market #capitalism is that it invariably leads to decisions being made by accountants that should instead be made by scientists and engineers. When this happens, people tend to die.
Since the capitalist typically doesn't suffer these consequences directly, the only factor that ends up mattering is what it does to their balance sheet.
Strong regulation can translate these human costs into financial ones. To those who argue against this approach, I submit that the only alternative solution to the problem is decidedly... less kind.
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&& as having a higher operator precedence than ||. That led to a fun little bug.
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in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • •Found my first point of irritation. Crates.io requires a GitHub account.
I have one, but I don't like to use it.
That said, creating a crates.io account seems optional-ish...
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in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •Non-Github account creation · Issue #326 · rust-lang/crates.io
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in reply to glyn • •Mo :ferris: :tux:
in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •We are in the same boat. I don't like the current state of having a single authentication option with Github.
But the good thing is that Github is only required for authentication. The code of all my published crates on crates.io is hosted on Codeberg 😁
They are open to contributions to implement authentication via email, but sadly it is not a priority.
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in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •I kinda like Rust, but the community is highly irritating:
Incredible amounts of zealotry, usually paired with a poor understanding of the subject matter, the design space, and possible alternatives.
Discussing technical topics with Rust people is simply not a good use of time.
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in reply to soc • •@soc Ah. I've had little to no interaction with the community at this point. My evaluation thus far has been on its perceived technical merits alone.
That said, I don't know enough about it yet to have a well-informed opinion on even that yet.
Edit: To clarify, community is important, and having to deal with a toxic one would be a deal-breaker.
Edit 2: typo
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in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •As a #Scheme hacker, #Rust has nothing I need:
Exploratory, interactive programming, with a REPL.
Dynamic types, I can do an (assert (Foo? x)) if needed, but having to write Foo x, or Foo<T:Bar> x, everywhere sucks.
My errors are never caught by strict typing or borrow checking. I make much higher-level logic errors.
Garbage collection or ARC equivalent is the only way to safely manage memory. STOP manually doing it. Even in C, you can use Boehm GC!
Scheme compiles to fast binaries.
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in reply to Digital Mark λ ☕️ 🕹 🙄 • •@Digital Mark λ ☕️ 🕹 Z? It's all about what you're looking for in a language. I don't have much Rust experience yet, but I can tell you that Haskell's type system has saved me from making errors on multiple occasions (most frequently when a function can return some sort of error (including null (or equivalent)) and I forget to check for it).
At the end of the day, if Scheme works for you, then that's the language you should use. That's totally valid.
Edit: paren balancing
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in reply to Digital Mark λ ☕️ 🕹 🙄 • • •Mo :ferris: :tux:
in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •If you gravitate towards Haskell, Rust is definitely for you.
I really enjoyed learning functional concepts in Haskell last semester after knowing Rust. There are many similarities, but (sorry Haskell fans) Rust is practical ;)
About borrowing being irritating: This is normal at the beginning, but the theory is well explained in the official Rust book.
BTW, could you please use the RustLang tag? 🥰
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in reply to Mo :ferris: :tux: • •@Mo :ferris: :tux: Oh, I understand perfectly well why it exists. It makes the kind of checks I had to do myself back in my C/C++ days. The difference is, as a human, I can fail to look for these things.
I actually appreciate the borrow checker. It gives me similar safety guarantees to Haskell without the runtime costs. I just also understand why some would find it irritating.
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in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •Digital Mark λ ☕️ 🕹 🙄
Unknown parent • • •Probably, you'd have to be careful with PG's free rules, but Boehm can be per library.
But you know what's really great? Whataboutism by randos who don't care about the conversation, they're just RETF 🦞
(I should note, I'm not *saying* that's you, just… implying it from the weird edge case.)
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in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •the borrow checker is such a big part of the language it's not just slightly irritating, it's like having a non-consentual finger up the ass every time you open some Rust code in your editor
And the fact Rust is always staticallly linked and lacks any sort of reproducible builds don't help, even the compiler itself only compiles with an n-2 version of the compiler, if you skip updating the compiler for a while and want or have to keep using sources then have fun compiling every version since you last updated the compiler
Its type system is also like a borrow checker: non-consentual fist up the ass, want to add an u8 to an u32? Nope, can't, have to manually cast everything because that's why we do programming languages instead of writing Assembly, to do all the fucking busy work ourselves
Oh, and Cargo is its own can of rotten worms
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in reply to Reid • • •@Reiddragon > And the fact Rust is always staticallly linked and lacks any sort of reproducible builds don't help
That is excusable in languages where source-only distribution is normal and expected. (Indeed, compilation should be a transparent caching step and artifacts of such shouldn't be commonly shared.)
That is not the case for Rust.
> even the compiler itself only compiles with an n-2 version of the compiler
That's also a problem, Rust's bootstrap story sucks.
Ada's might suck as much, I'm not sure, I have found a few interpreters when I last looked...
> I'd rather have a dozen complie-time errors than a single runtime error. This is the reason I tend to gravitate towards Haskell, for instance.
There should be no meaningful difference between runtime and dev-time for the majority of devs. Dead languages aren't necessary. And punchcard retrocompatibility can be preserved without prioritizing a development process that is optimized for that workflow.
As for typing static vs dynamic, there's a thing called "gradual typing", and it is very possible to tie the type-checker into a REPL.
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in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •I've got a few things with Rust that make me dislike it a bit -- note that that doesn't mean that I think it's generally a bad language. (They're all good langs, Brent.) But here we go:
Another single implementation standard-less language. No solid standard library, everything done by downloading the internet. Very un-Turbo-Pascal-ish compile times and memory usage. Annotations. BCPL-ish syntax with too much line noise (and hey, I used to program Perl). Tied a lot to the worst things in IT (browser engines, crypto). Fanatical community. Overly complex async to save me from writing threads. Both functional purists and micro-optimizers. The word "Rustaceans" alone.
It's not a language that I'd like to use recreationally, but I wouldn't quit jobs if I have to do more work with it at work.
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