What ifβand this is perhaps crazyβinstead of giving me "AI" features, you gave me a usable, well documented API, so I could add my own automation features?
Seemingly plain (lambda () ...) is a macro that expands to (function (lambda () ...)). #'(lambda () ...) uses a reader macro to expand to the same (function (lambda () ...)).
Function is a special operator that returns a function. It takes either a function name or a lambda expression. The second case is what is happening here.
I've been taking a bunch of tests to qualify for a transcription job. They're not easy and I need a perfect score to pass. I finally failed one of the tests but managed to pass it on the retry.
They're really picky about their style guide. Fortunately, it basically amounts to syntax rules and I've been dealing with compilers that are equally picky about syntax for decades.
It also helps that all throughout my schooling my mother worked at the local university proofreading research scientists' papers and she insisted on proofreafing all my essays too.
I never thought I'd end up being happy about that.
Now I'm annoyed. Apart from that one hiccup, I aced the transcription parts (which are supposed to be the "hard" part) only to fail the last short section of the exam. Now I have to wait two days before I can try again.
So the cooldown period for me to re-take the exam is over. They want me to redo The. Whole. Damn. Thing.
Fine, whatever. It'll take me a few days to get through it all, but I don't expect to fail again.
Given how their style guide is now permanently burned into my brain, there's a tiny vindictive part of me that toyed with the idea of spinning up a competing service. That's probably more throuble than it's worth, though.
I see now why they're always hiring. I wonder how many people get to the prequalification exam and then just decide it's not worth it.
After a closer review of the style guide, I have come to realize that the question I was repeatedly getting wrong was one that wasn't even on my radar as a candidate. I misremembered a stupid trivial detail from the guide.* I was rabbit holing on the wrong two questions, one of which I still maintain can be argued to have two correct answers, but I now know which one they're looking for.
Not looking forward to sinking another ~5 hours on this thing.
* That would have had virtually zero impact on my ability to successfully do this job.
Now I have to wait for them to determine whether or not they think I cheated. I didn't, but if they think I did, that's what matters. I can't see there being a reasonable appeals process for that.
@π¨π¦ CleoQc ππ¦π§Άππ It's a legal transcription job. They do regular transcription too, but they have AI doing much of it, so they're not looking for new people there.
They're smart enough to realize that AI isn't currently sophisticated enough to properly follow the various style guides required by their legal clients. I guess they realize that if the quality of the work drops, they'll lose the contracts.
That said, I'm sure all the work I do is going to be used to try to train an AI to replace me, but that's probably true of any job at this point.
Just booked an appointment with my doctor to renew my #ADHD meds again. Now it's time to play my favourite game: is he going to fight me on this prescription again?
You may not think me very impressive, but I'll have you know that I'm a successful restauranteur in an obscure text-based multi-user virtual reality. #LambdaMOO
Got my hands on a #shortwave radio, but the fact that I live in a giant concrete box doesn't seem to be helping my reception. Seeing what I can do about that.
Are there any broadcasts that are worth catching that I'd be able to get in Southern Ontario?
So now that she's eating "real" food again, we took some of the curry we've been making lately to my mother. I was very happy to learn that she enjoyed it. Mind you, we're competing with hospital food, so it's not like the bar is terribly high.
Don't do AI. Look for people selling electronics they don't need anymore and use them to make the machine. Make a god out of discarded parts, and don't let it die. Use it for whatever the hell you feel like. Give it the ability to sense its reality and start programming it not to speak, or interact with anyone, but to show people echoes of the past.
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In 1959, a cement mixer with a full load of cement, wrecked near Winganon, Oklahoma πΊπΈ
By the time a tow truck came to haul it away, all of cement had hardened inside of mixer. Tow truck was not able to remove all wreckage at same time because of weight, and decided to haul only cab/frame and would come back for detached mixer later, which never happened.
Today, 67 years later, it still sits where it fell. Locals have painted it and added "rocket thrusters" to make it look like a space capsule.
@LanceJZ @isaackuo That's a piece of Art, and congratulations to the locals for maintaining it.
(Actually the capsule would have had thrusters: there would be Capsule:Flotation Bag:Heat Shield:Thruster Pack, with the thruster pack held on by straps so it could be jettisoned after deceleration but before hitting atmosphere. On one mission they re-entered with the thruster pack attached because the flotation bag light had come on and they were concerned about the heat shield.)
@Cadbury_Moose @LanceJZ While this is true of the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo capsules (including the Apollo service module), a reusable capsule could enter nose first rather than tail first.
Nuclear missile reentry heat shields are blunt cones entering nose first.
That said, Dragon does do tail first reentry, placing the thrusters on the sides rather than the tail. I just think it "looks" wrong.
@isaackuo @Cadbury_Moose @LanceJZ That is only true for modern ballistic missile RVs, initially they were launched blunt end forward, since the materials of that time didn't allow a more accurate short end forward reentry because these cause higher temperatures. (That is also why the Space Shuttle got a rather blunt nose)
Also, there are far more than just one kind of capsule. Imagine this as a biconic lifting body, and it isn't that much fictive to retain its aft thrusters.
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@LanceJZ @Cadbury_Moose This is what people think of when they think of the Apollo "capsule". It has a big main thruster in the tail, and lots of thruster clusters all over the place.
That's the reason why the artists modifying the cement mixer tank felt the need to add thrusters. It didn't look right without them, because the overall shape looks like a capsule plus its service module.
@isaackuo @LanceJZ @Cadbury_Moose besides which, without the thrusters it just looks like a discarded cement mixer with a paint job. π srsly people wanting accuracy, it just needs to look space-capsule-ish for the joke to work, and thrusters does the job!
One reason they think of the Apollo "capsule" as the Command Module and Service Module is that there isn't any footage of the Command Module by itself in space. No one left on the Service Module to shoot the Command Module after separation.
@LanceJZ - you don't seem bothered by the solid concrete construction, which is probably a bigger problem for using it as a spaceship. @Cadbury_Moose @isaackuo @archaeohistories
@davevolek That would likely require someone to pay for it. Given the little bits I've gleaned about local governance in the U.S. I can easily see no one having any spare budget for it.
@davevolek it's a really small town population of about 500 and it's not even in town...probably a lot of other things than that to worry about causing a car accident. Looking at the map, might be a struggle to get a crane out there cheeply.
I come from a rural background. Many people drive 80 kph (50 mph) on these roads. And they hit the ditch more often.
There might be some weight restrictions that prohibit big trucks on this road. The pavement in the photo (or oily gravel) looks a little on the weak side to me.
Anyways, we need more info to know why this thing has remained in the ditch for 67 years.
I have a friend who's been trying to get on Mastodon but tells me that it doesn't seem to play well with screen readers. I know there are plenty of people on the fedi who do use screen readers, but I have no experience with them myself, so I can't really direct him.
Can someone who does use a #ScreenReader point me in the direction of some resources that might be useful? #AskFedi #a11y
My understanding is that some alternate clients, particularly semaphore.social/, play better with screenreaders? That's what my friends here who use screenreaders have told me, at least. I'll boost this so they can chime in as more authoritative sources.
@adhdeanasl In that case, I'd reframe the question as which Mastodon client is most likely to work with a screen reader on a non-Windows desktop platform. I suggest Semaphore (semaphore.social/), a web-based client.
@adhdeanasl Oh, my mistake. It looks like Semaphore is gone, and I've been using a cached local version for an unknown length of time. In that case: enafore.social/
@pawpower @Fragglemuppet @matt @adhdeanasl @WittiePenguin @RareBird15 IOS has the VoiceOver screen reader, already. There are many Mastodon clients that work well with it. I'm using Mona. IceCubes is another good choice. For Linux distros, the Orca screen reader is already included, and works well with firefox, thunderbird, the core utilities, and libreoffice, which is also included. I've used the Tuba Linux Mastodon client, with orca, but it's difficult.
@matt @adhdeanasl @wx1g @RareBird15 @pawpower Yep, I use Windows and NVDA, and don't have a problem. Does Tweesecake work with Linux? It's a Mastodon client that might also be helpful.
@matt @Fragglemuppet @adhdeanasl @RareBird15 @pawpower So far, the only desktop Mastodon app, I know, is Tuba. Best bet is to use your instance web site with firefox. There's an alternative web front end called enafore, which I am using to make this post.
@afewbugs Iβve found Mastodon really easy to use with a screen reader, and apps like Mona make scrolling the timelines and interacting even easier. I donβt know about resources as such, so Iβll boost, but just wanted to put in my 2 pennies too. Edit: Just had a look and, of course, @FediTips has something on it: fedi.tips/how-do-i-use-mastodoβ¦
@freddy Most of us blind people use Mona on iOS and iPadOS and MacOS. On Windows, there's TweeseCake. After registering with a Mastodon instance, and doing a rudimentary setup in the Mastodon settings, one can use the 3rd party client without needing to use the Mastodon web interface.
Can't help you with the software question, but there is a cosy instance run by visually impaired people: dragonscave.space/about β might make a nicer starting point than one of the larger generic ones.
@zl2tod Looks like some good replies are coming in on this thread already. In my view, Mastodon is the most accessible social media platform around. I would add a couple of things. First, any blind person is very welcome to join us here at CaneAndAble.social, a great community for blind Mastodon users. There are plenty of helpful people here. Second, if the person uses iOS, I produced an audio tutorial on Mona for Mastodon. This went out as part of the Living Blindfully podcast I used to run, which can still be found in any podcast app. Mona has been updated since then, but itβs still very relevant, and many blind people appreciate an audio walkthrough. The URL for the audio is: LivingBlindfully.com/227, and the transcript is at LivingBlindfully.com/lb0227traβ¦
This special episode is devoted to Mona, a Mastodon app for iOS, iPadOS and MacOS. It has exceptional VoiceOver accessibility, and during its development, the developer has consulted extensively with the blind community.
@ePD5qRxX imo there's no way around third party clients at the moment. I'm using iOS/macOS-based devices only right now, and the Mona 6/Mona Classic client from the app store work rather nicely. I've also had good experience with Tusky on Android a couple of years ago and I hear its still great.
Iβm sighted and wonβt comment! But I will tag @MonaApp as so many folks in the thread have mentioned the app. (And Iβll add that itβs great for sighted people too!)
While I was blind (long story, medical mishap) I found PCs and laptops to be bloody useless. What did work well was a large Android phone or tablet running "Talkback" and an accessibility one-handed keyboard called a Quirkey (which as a dev I knew how to use). Touching the screen gave a good mental map of layout, and the Quirkey removed the need for an on-screen keyboard. I just used Fedilab as I knew the layout already.
@Brailly615 In another comment it has been said that its about Linux, there I unfortunately can't help. I use Webclients, unfortunately they don't get any Updates anymore or I'd have recommended something. I only use them because I haven't found something better yet that I don't need to install. @Clio09 @C3nC3 @me @MonaApp @pachli
@svenja @Brailly615 @Clio09 @C3nC3 @MonaApp If it is about Linux, I can't help either. In Windows there is #Tweesecake. Although it seems that it is not updated anymore, we can work fairly well with it.
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Was loading stuff onto my Jellyfin server for my mom to watch in the hospital. She liked Star Trek and I thought Strange New Worlds might be a good idea because it's a more fun show than a lot of the other recent Trek shows.
I started watching the first episode to be sure it was working, and realized I'd forgotten the whole thing about what happens with Captain Pike.
well I don't see why anyone would say itsumi mario which makes little sense, it's just a funny quirk to make him sound italian I think, I also am quite deeply into retrogames and retrogame history, so I think I would have heard about it if it was a deliberate reference to anything.
Literally just γ€γγγγͺγͺ (γγͺγͺγ§γ). Katakana syllabic writing for what is supposed to be English speech, then read by a Japanese speaker-or-TTS.
When a #neurodivergent person tells you about how something is difficult for them, rather than thinking of them as whiny, consider that this probably means they have a certain level of trust in you to drop their mask enough to do so.
Invalidating that struggle is likely also a pretty effective way of eroding that trust. #ActuallyADHD
did you ever notice that when you say, "this is difficult for me. can you explain it again/help me through the process/give me more time to accept?", the non-nd person immediately interprets it as an excuse to *not* do something? #actuallyautistic @autistics
@emily_rugburn @autistics . itβs so exhausting, you choose your words correctly and they ignore them and insert their βinterpretation,β instead. Itβs like talking to the cat. π
It's more profitable for them to "interpret" (distort) than to try to understand. Becomes habit, they do it to each other without thinking. Discard the words and keep their twisted idea of what they meant.
@emily_rugburn @angelastella @autistics . I want to use the R-word for the shock value, I want to say, Watch for my next blog, "R-worded by Violence," and I'm serious about it. It should be paranoia, but the same type that's paranoid really is dangerous to everybody, so it's complicated, but that's how I would like to classify them, disabled by their "strength."
@angelastella @punishmenthurts @autistics from all these conversations, but do people with adhd really have these issues with misinterpretation? i was way on the autistic side and my ex was wayyyy on the adhd side and they *always* misinterpreted everything i said, even after multiple conversations that i mean what i say
@emily_rugburn @angelastella @autistics . gawd, I don't know, I only hatched as Autistic a few years ago . . . . I've been thinking of Autism and Allism, NTness as opposites, I think I've heard something about people otherwise ND but still Allistic, still not Autistic . I suppose there could be both sorts, all combinations . that's all I got, I hope someone has better π
Used to misinterpret often until my twenties but got better at reading people (normies mostly, really). Misinterpretation was an entirely different pattern from the NT one, though.
(Still w/o formal diagnosis here. Personal certainty at 80% for ADHD, > 50% por autism; other things not at all clear but comorbidities are common; late-blooming trans, FWIW, and there are correlations with that.)
@angelastella @autistics @emily_rugburn . I'm self assessed, and I'm quite sure about Autism, but I'm starting to consider ADHD. I hadn't, because I'm not hyper, my sibling was the hyper one, but I'm starting to be open to it.
@punishmenthurts @angelastella @autistics i am definitely hyper-----when i was assessed, i was subacute adhd which is not surprising for me....i tend to get "hyper" when get overstimulated, even just finding something thats incredibly interesting to me.
@angelastella @punishmenthurts @autistics living with someone w undiagnosed adhd for over a decade has 100% allowed me to discern that i definitely absolutely do not have any features of adhd.
the amount of chaos that a person w adhd has to live with to function has allowed me to definitively learn that i never ever ever ever want to have any sort of relationship with an adhd'er again.
@punishmenthurts @angelastella @autistics high energy? it was the constantly losing stuff, important things written on teeny tiny pieces of paper that ended up somewhere, the 5 different schedule books, 6 different email addresses, 2-3 phone numbers, forgetting to pay the bills, etc etc...they were all AD and very little H
Has to live? Hmm. Confirmation that we ADHD fuckers are widely different from each other. I must tolerate my chaos because I cannot control or reduce it, but it hurts me a lot. I lived in ordered environments and didn't become nonfunctional. Autistic need for certain stimuli notwithstanding.
Not defending or justifying anything, just illustrating the AuDHD spectrum.
@angelastella @punishmenthurts @autistics there is some chaos thats required ive noticed....not that people w adhd *like* it but i think novelty is still an important aspect, correct?
Never did really calibrate my personal requirement of these inputs. I think I can manage with sort of an internal generator of novelty, variation, distraction or whatever it is.
@angelastella @punishmenthurts @autistics i think adhd is such a foreign concept to me that i cant even imagine what its like to be pulled mentally in a million different directions at once....if that does happen to me, i immediately shut down (and fall asleep amazingly)
AFAICT that interaction does not usually happen, and I have sensory processing issues that cause me to... malfunction. (Had something close to a meltdown last month during a very noisy, chaotic meeting at a place that had become dark. Not getting visual cues as to who was speaking was the last straw for me.)
@angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics . I put myself to sleep like that once, when an acid trip went scary, an emergency shutdown button is handy sometimes
Now that you mention it, that is what happens to me when I smoke weed above a certain dose. If I remove myself from social stimuli, I fall asleep like a baby. Way easier and cleaner than with alcohol.
@angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics . I need weed for sleep, but also to be awake. . that experience was almost fifty years ago, I thought I was having some real brain event, I wasnβt sure I was going to wake up as myself, I couldnβt think two words together, thought I was, uh, fragmented. π¬ . Happily woke up OK. π I mean, thatβs my opinion, LOL.
@angelastella @punishmenthurts @autistics stuff like that happens to me a lot where things bother me but seemingly do not bother other people. then i start spiraling and panicking because i dont understand why it bothers me and no one else. then i end up feeling guilty because it bothers me. then i start having a meltdown because im feeling insane about the whole situation.
@angelastella @autistics @punishmenthurts i would not be surprised if the dsm combined it all under neurodivergence in the next version *but* i still believe that adhd and autism is far less related than what people actually want it to be.
one good point, autistic people are bottom up thinkers on the whole while people with adhd can be either top down or bottom up. you already have a significant difference in thought processing that can lead to multiple misinterpretations and other issues that cause interpersonal strife.
Hmm, definitely bottom-up at heart. Learned top-down later and fragmentarily. And yes, it is at the root of miscommunication a lot of the time, even between NTs.
I also kinda like the PDA label and the NVLD things cause they feel closer? But they arent in there. I really want presentation styles. Its kinda annoying cause I think my presentation though recognizably autistic to other autisticsβ¦ is very presentation different. My friends describe me as masklessβ¦
Hell, I really wasn't up to speed with these. Still learning at close to 50 because they cut us off from each other. (No, I'm not bitter, what an idea.)
@Uair @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics . the very stuff we have to listen to them bragging about in school, how smart humans are to have spoken language! . Drives ya nuts. π π
@angelastella @Uair @emily_rugburn @autistics . it was surely true at some point, we do have spoken language, but itβs one of those sci-fi stories where theyβve forgotten how it works ππ . glory days π
My theory is that we evolved as a second locus of power in a tribal society. You had the leader, who maintained power through charm and violence. And you had the gender-queer medicine person who was respected as a thinker. When the leader was about to lemming the tribe off a cliff, the medicine person would intervene. And the leader knew to back down.
And don't you dare have a glitch in your lexical-semantic network and substitute a word for another. They will use that against you instantly and no correction will get things back on track.
@angelastella @Uair @punishmenthurts @autistics one of my issues is using a word not in another person's vocabulary. its immediately interpreted as way to insult the other person's intelligence instead of asking for a definition (which is what i do all the time).
Of course, NTs play these stupid status and domination games all the time and they won't ever believe we don't have either the skill or the inclination for that.
@angelastella @Uair @punishmenthurts @autistics i dont in actuality. im wholly cooperative, even with people i dont particularly enjoy being around. it definitely makes me a target for ridicule. people in general just *cannot believe* that i have no malicious intent when combined with the way i look. rbf is real yo.
@emily_rugburn @angelastella @Uair @autistics . thatβs a tough one for me, I love the perfect word, even if no-one knows it and itβs as long as your arm. π³π . What helps keep me grounded is I know the fancier the words are, itβs often a sign of bullshit, so I try to make myself say things in plain language, if it canβt be said plainly, itβs probably not true enough.
@punishmenthurts @angelastella @Uair @autistics i try hence the absurd amount of motherfucking cursing. also my cerebellum seems to run most of my goddamn life.
@angelastella @punishmenthurts @Uair @autistics i know! because im using the part that keeps me breathing to so my thinkin and talkin for me. the rest is just filler and useless movie trivia.
I just got fucked by that. I asked someone if a bill had to be paid up front or could be paid in arrears. Afterward, I figured out he didn't know what "in arrears" meant. He just lied to me instead.
I blame the schools. They teach you to never admit you don't know something and always try to bullshit your way through it.
Yes, that's true too. Some people use ambiguity for different purposes, some to wake up fear and manipulate others, make them suffer; yet ambiguity is also at the basis of humor and it may be used then to make others laugh, feel better.
@punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @autistics No its not. My cat doesn't actively make life harder for me and amplify my problems. My cat actually cares enough to lay on my chest like a weighted blanket. My cat doesn't leave when I don't have the energy to play. My cat doesn't call me manipulative and deceitful. My cat doesn't make promises and claims only to 180 later. My cat loves me as I am.
@emily_rugburn @punishmenthurts @autistics I don't need to herd allists. I just need them to have some space for me, and make an attempt at understanding the things I say.
Heh, this is one thing I like about my Home Assistant voice assistant. I program it with what words I'm going to say. As long as I say those words, it does whatever it is I programmed it to do when I say those words. No implied meaning, no subtext, no "what Koda REALLY meant"....
@hellomiakoda @punishmenthurts @autistics im always surprised when people start yelling at computers and machines because its not doing what they want it to do "why dont you know what i mean??"
@punishmenthurts@autistics@fedigroups.social.life @me @autistics its more along the lines of....attempting to get someone to understand your perspective. its a total double empathy problem. they dont understand and i dont understand why they dont understand. i feel like allistic people have *a lot* of behavioral biases that are just reflex that arent really inherent in autistic people. (hence issues like...asking questions of an allistic person is interpreted immediately as someone trying to assert their power and dominance rather than just a simple inquiry)
@sonja @Actually Autistics I don't know that I've noticed it in exactly that way, but my masking has become so deeply ingrained over the years that I seldom give people the opportunity unless I'm very close with them.
This has occasionally been to my detriment, but it has made me into a really solid independent learner when I find something I really want to sink my teeth into.
@autistics i have noticed that it does make you into a more self-sufficient person. i feel like me saying "point me in the right direction" shouldnt be misinterpreted as "do this for me"....im not sure where the disconnect is with certain people. and the disdain for individuals asking for help is completely palpable
Im at a point of frustration where I actually do want people to do it for me. Idk too much paperwork. Too many intake papers. Applying to stuff I might get rejected for makes me happy to have a case manager now.
@emily_rugburn @autistics Iβm afraid to ask people at work to explain instructions to me again for this very reason. Often, I quietly ask another manager what needs doing and they tell me but sometimes the first time I get a task to do over the radio, it just doesnβt sink in. π’
My mum really likes the word "just." "If you can't get ahold of them over the phone, -just- go talk to them in person." "Don't think about it, -just- do it."
Talking on the phone is something I've always sucked at, while I'm completely fluent when typing out text messages and do that on the reg.
Also, it's possible to manage sensory issues and the like; I used to have major issues with getting goopy stuff on my skin, so things like paint, glue, etc, for the longest time as a kid, for example, although I have since learned to manage that and it's not really an issue for me anymore, but that still takes a lot of time and effort to get to that point and sensory issues don't just go away even if they're successfully managed; they still exist.
@DFX4509B (Joshua Mason) Yeah, my biggest problem is that my mouth doesn't have a backspace key. I can draft and re-draft written correspondence before hitting send, but when I say a thing, it's just out there.
Also, I sometimes need multiple passes over a sentence to process what someone has said (or written). People get upset when I ask them to repeat certain things more than once. When it's written, I just move my eyes back to the beginning of the sentence as many times as necessary and nobody's any the wiser (except for me, I guess).
Also, it feels kinda nice to be able to open up here or on Mastodon, while if I tried opening up similarly on Facebook or Twitter, or sadly even Bsky to some extent for that matter, I'd probably get ostracized for it.
Although I'm more of a visual type when it comes to expression anyways, as in I like to draw or paint a lot and consider myself pretty good at it.
Hey, thank you. Back in the day I translated "The Six-Lesson Schoolteacher" for my family and friends. This essay looks like a good companion to it. I don't know which of his books I read because they were re-titled: one was something like Compulsory Miseducation. Decades ago, my now adult kids were babies.
@Uair @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics . it doesn't necessarily fit in my system, where we were here first. And so far, it seems their type show up in charge, not taking advice from anyone, but . if that scenario ever happened, warrior king with an Autistic prime minister or consigliere, it would suggest that when the warriors showed up, some of us foolishly thought we could keep them and use them . and I was fantasizing that the Neolithic people understood at least breeding if not evolution, and would know not to do that . π² π
@Uair Gave it a listen. He's correct, of course, but it's nothing I didn't already know. Funny how he mentions that schools were a Prussian institute, but not that the Prussians were inspired by the methods brahmins used to maintain the Indian caste system... @angelastella @emily_rugburn @punishmenthurts @me @autistics
@punishmenthurts We end up with allists in power because the ones willing to hurt others in the pursuit of power usually aren't autistic.
None of the autists I know show the slightest draw to power. The most I can say is that we're driven to find influence by a sense of injustice.
An autist will (in my limited experience) gladly give up a position of power (e.g. give a patent away or give up copyright) if it benefits the world. @Uair @angelastella @emily_rugburn @me @autistics
@emily_rugburn @Uair . it's what I call Allistic science. They're good at physics and stuff, but they have a disability regarding the study of humans, they have the mythical, Human Nature sitting where a whole lot of science would be most helpful. The Davids said it gently and only once in #TheDawnOfEverything , that the Turtle Islanders found the Euro invaders to lack the "actuarial," sense, that they do not see how their treatment of one another affects society and their lives, they lack a functioning naΓ―ve psychology.
@punishmenthurts @Uair coming of age is samoa is just some white lady being shocked and appalled at what "primitive" people do.....iirc, most of the shit described in the book was bs made up by the community to fuck with mead.
Although, I really don't remember a "shocked" tone. I remember it as respectful. But this was 35 years ago and I was a dipshit kid. I'm not gonna reread it now. I have better things to do with my time.
@punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @Uair This is part of what I mean by saying that the #mindblindness / "theory of mind deficit" idea almost has it backwards. While #allistics do have a theory of mind, they typically let it atrophy from neglect, habitually using the automatic, intuitive mechanisms built into their #EnvironmentalYoke instead of doing any explicit theorizing. That approach may be great if all you're interested in is jockeying for position in a social hierarchy. It's not so great if you'd like to understand what kind of world your actions are building.
@hadon Don't know, don't care. I'm speaking in generalities anyway. Even if he is, exceptions are to be expected. One autistic trait he definitely does not exhibit is a strong sense of justice. @punishmenthurts @Uair @angelastella @emily_rugburn @me @autistics
@Uair @hadon @Mux @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics . yeah. If I had to pick, I say heβs Allistic, but if not, whatβs the difference? . Does that make being a billionaire Nazi an Autistic trait? If he pursues severely Allistic goals with all of his resources, does it matter if heβs masking, only pretending to be that? . I mean, this is personal, I have exactly this going with my ex family, they never loved me because Iβm a weirdo, it was always obvious that my in laws strove to be seen as normal and to be popular, itβs what they live for, but after they disposed of me for imaginary Allistic crimes, now they are all self diagnosed Autistics, and whatβs the difference to me? . I mean, I hope Iβm the last Autistic these heavily masking Autistics destroy. . A few famous people masking doesnβt mean itβs not a hyper Allistic thing to be what he is. People mask, people donβt know, one name means nothing.
@punishmenthurts @Uair @Mux @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics Goiterzan, my question was mainly in response to Mux2000: "We end up with allists in power because the ones willing to hurt others in the pursuit of power usually aren't autistic. "
I was just wondering because Musk has hurt a lot of people and he said he was autistic. So, we have to watch out for prejudgements and don't assume that only a certain type of person can get to high power positions or hurt others. We all are human, autistic or not; we all are capable of good and bad :/
Nobody is better or worst than others, we are just different.
@hadon @Uair @Mux @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics . and I agree with Mux, usually thatβs the case, aggression is more of an Allistic trait than an ND trait, I have written whole books and many blogs and a thousand toots saying that. . Iβm saying it would be less usual for an Autistic to want that much power, but it surely happens sometimes. And again, weβre talking about types and big data, one dude doesnβt prove anything or mean anything.
@hadon @Uair @Mux @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics . what we all CAN do or COULD do means nothing, it doesnβt discriminate, it is the absence of information, it means nothing. Real Allistics hurt way more people than real Autistics, and that any one of them COULD go the other direction means nothing, and do you prefer things that mean nothing? You want to correct me so nothing means anything for me?
No, I don't want to correct you, I'm just reflecting out loud. And I wondered if there were scientific studies on the subject because I think science is more accurate than our individual perceptions. If there are no scientific studies on the subject I would always question my own perceptions and conclusions.
@punishmenthurts This sent me down a Google Scholar rabbit hole from which I emerged with the following conclusion - the current state of research on the intersection between autism and social values, such as control, violence and the will to power is shit. @hadon @Uair @angelastella @emily_rugburn @me @autistics
As long as we're trading made-up statistics (and make no mistake, I respected the hell out of Ted Sturgeon), I'm partial to the one which says that 10% of people are assholes and crooks, 10% are--for all practical purposes--saints, and the remaining 80% can be convinced to swing in either way. Which means: how we organize society means something. Also (partially) explains how a well-run campaign can make fascism come back almost everywhere.
The only thing I'd want unlimited power for is to use it to make sure everyone is ok, and end as much harm and suffering as I could. Ya know, outlaw bigotry, tax the rich, feed and house the poor, support the disabled... all that stuff. Power would exhaust me to death, likely literally... but it'd be worth it to do those things.
@Mux @punishmenthurts @Uair @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics ...if I had that power, I'd strongly prefer nobody knew it was me. I don't need nor want my name on that stuff, I just want people to be ok. Seeing people happy and safe would be all I want out of it.
This topic makes me tear up. We have all the resources for everyone to be ok, and we, as a species, just don't do it for some reason.
One thing is the desire to do things like these, and quite another the drive to rule over others, even to achieve these goals. Making tools out of my fellow humans it's not something I'm skilled to do. Let them find their own way, I have quite enough bossing myself.
@Uair @hadon @Mux @punishmenthurts @angelastella @autistics i dont use it as an excuse at all. i use it as an explanation as to *why* i do the things i do and think the way i do. its up to everyone else to determine the actual meaning and like 99% of the time, most people believe its malicious and sociopathic
My experience in queer spaces confirms this. I've seen a lot of us doing funny trajectories in the sexual orientation plane. (And don't get me started on gender! That's why I advocate "gender tourism" for everyone. Enough topic drift, I'll drop it.)
@hellomiakoda @Mux @punishmenthurts @Uair @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics I feel exactly the same way. I fantasize about being a secret billionaire who just gives their money to projects everywhere without their name on it. Giving neighbors money to fix their fence. Giving people money to fix their cars. Giving people money to get out of debt. Just giving so that we can all do better. I wouldn't want my name on it at all.
It is. Should be illegal but here we are. Year or two ago some of us had to report the hell out of an account promoting ABA. To their credit, the mods at mastodon.social threw them out within the day.
(Of course we used the word "torture" in our reports.)
Poloniosmonk, you can get away from your grandfather, you can get away from your family, but you can't get away from yourself. You're stuck having to live with yourself 24 hours a day, 7 days a week! So, you better make of him a great person to share life with ;)
Because I have PDAβ¦ I have some diff feelingsβ¦ since my autism causes health issuesβ¦
Im in a space of willing to try anything. CBT/DBT failed. The focus on mindfulness, the part of both of those that made it fail makes me know ACT also wont work. Anything focusing on thought control is a failure. I really need something else. Its so stupid how I canβt find something to actually help me gain a rudder.
A good boss should reduce or remove barriers that impede their subordinates from doing their job effectively. Shockingly few can actually accomplish this.
@angelastella @bardmoss @Uair @emily_rugburn @autistics . thank you, I didnβt get it was a joke until you said so, now Iβm laughing. . At least Polonius doesnβt need a whole nuclear power plant to make him go π
Reminds me of something Douglas Adams wrote: It is a well-known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.
Think itβs more the belief that itβs not normal to want to have power and control. That sort of desire is a dark side of our selves. And itβs not an original Adams thought.
Dear old Kurt was there before him: "There is a tragic flaw in our precious Constitution, and I donβt know what can be done to fix it. This is it: Only nut cases want to be president."
There's hierarchy in animal groups, so yearning for leadership is a natural trait. But natural leadership should be won in a fair way, you have to prove that you are a leader, not impose it by force. So what I consider abnormal is people who lie, cheat or kill to get to power. A real leader is respected, not feared.
@hadon @DziadekMick @Mux @punishmenthurts @Uair @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics Only SOME animal groups - most get along without actual leaders, using various forms and combinations of swarming, consensus and signalling to direct their group behaviour. The human perceived group behaviour is often emergent and not dictated but any subgroup or individual.
@hadon @DziadekMick @Mux @Uair @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics . That Good Leader fantasy that never actually happens is forever pushed by the majority to justify the filthy swine we do get and itβs not better in the primate groups, just because some primates have a dictator doesnβt somehow make that a good thing.
. the damned epstein files, thereβs your animal alphas, banging your daughters and your wife (and maybe even your dog, what was the movie, denzel and lithgow?) π
Our original society had no leaders. An elder, yes, but decision-making was done by a group, often advised by a shaman (or similar). I believe leaders came into being when *some fool* decided to claim a piece of land and fight for it.
And to quote somebody: Youβre not a leader without followers.
. oh, boy. π . OK, nobody reads blogs, so Iβll try to just say it. . Some anthropologists have stories about how when an egalitarian group gets a βbig man,β starting to push his weight around, how they arrange an accident for him and carry on with their lives. One gets the impression they know they have to nip that shit in the bud. . The scientists donβt think humans have alphas, I think they have traced alpha family genes in chimps and find no such genetics in humans. (Iβve forgotten where I got that, it may need some citation.) . But to my mind, they are all alpha aggressive, and what they are really seeing is no FEW alphas among humans, and ALL alphas - so no genetic difference exists to find. My idea is that at some point in our prehistory, somewhere in the near east, the alphas had it all their way, eliminated the beta through zeta typesβor at least their breeding, and most of humankind are now the alphasβ children. . They all look like alphas because they all think they can tell one another what to do, and they all look like alphas because they hate being told what to do. Freedom! is the cry of the alpha in a world with no-one taking their orders. They burn the books and donβt need to learn because the alpha is the teacher, they tell you what you need to know. . And my thing, spanking: . you hit a natural born subject, a zeta, you get obedience, a passive response. You βspank,β a natural born alpha, thatβs fight training and alpha epigenetics. . So Allism is alphaism, twisted out of context. And spanking doesnβt deter them. . I wouldnβt necessarily bet the farm, but it works pretty good. . Oh - that happened with the orangutans, every one is a dormant alpha, and when an alpha dies, someone else grows the big face and such. Sapolsky told us this after Iβd guessed it about people. π . and evolution works at whatever speed the environment changes or you get unselected.
. more theories and βjust so,β evidence: . Everyone complains about the beta through zetas, the problem is the sheeple - this betrays the complainerβs neurology, they are not with the followers, they think following is stupid. Which makes the speaker alpha-compatible, they think everyone should be an alpha, thinking for themselves. Counterintuitive, maybe, divergent, maybe. . But there arenβt followers, they are all βleading,β each other. . You see a million people going the same direction, whoβs to say itβs one leader and a million followers and not a million leaders who only know one way to go and no followers? . Ask them! See how many call themselves followers. . /2
. I wonβt spam you again, but the second last blog of the Spanking Gene Blog is the Open Letter to the Power, where I try to teach this gonzo idea to the illuminati, to stop abusing their zetas because theyβre NOT zetas and they will never settle down π€£
@Uair @DziadekMick @hadon @Mux @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics . for the ND - isnβt that what it feels like, the so called DEP and whatnot, like every bloody one of them seems to automatically assume theyβre your boss, every one has the god given right to tell us how weβre supposed to be about everything? ππππ³
. N., Iβll offer a weakness: youβd think the rut makes every deer and elk an alpha too, the whole herd, children of alphas but they donβt sem to be in quite our state of chaos because of it, not sure what the difference would be . . . I mean, maybe they know it? They donβt assume each other are betas, etc., like humans do? . extremely speculative, of coarse. π . EDIT TO ADD: I know there are many sorts of breeding controls, some animals get bred by multiple males and actively choose sperm, rejecting some and keeping others, I donβt know this about particular higher mammals, but any species with both alphas and more passive sorts must have something like that going on. With primates itβs usually just, βcheating,β on the alphas. . Thatβs part of my idea, that somehow, somewhere, some human alpha defeated all those sorts of checks and balances. π
@Uair @DziadekMick @hadon @Mux @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics . Somethingβs bothering, I overreached, orangutans are like that, any one can become the alpha - but I sure donβt know that they were ever a familial alpha sort, like other species, I canβt say that they ever had genetic alphas and genetic others and that thatβs some normal stage, I donβt know that orangutans havenβt been this way since they became orangutans, do I? π
@Mux @Uair @DziadekMick @hadon @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics . if thatβs true about ungulates and primates too, no alphas anywhere, then the whole thing is just a projection from Allistic humans and itβs still my larger point: Allism is alpha neurology, it would just be the only such then. π
I thought a touchscreen keyboard was the worst possible input device, but they're way more hateful when you only have one working eye. My depth perception has never been great, but...
Welp, the power is back on in our unit, but apparently not in the whole building. The entry buzzer is still out, the fire doors still won't stay open and the alarm on the fire panel has been beeping all day because it's still running on battery.
@Thuna What's funny is I just looked at the documentation for string-join, and it even includes other functionality that I had implemented myself. It allowed me to delete an entire other function.
I mean, there's no reason to feel dirty calling `eval`. Writing code which generates and then evals new code is a long established and honourable #Lisp pattern. But equally, you don't need `eval` here.
One thing I miss in #Lisp coming from #Haskell is the ability to search for functions by their type signature. I hadn't realized how much I relied upon this ability until I lost it.
lispworks.com/documentation/Hy⦠maybe that could help you. #Lisp is interactive which means you are more likely to explore you program and your problem than thinking upfront to much about it. Sound quite strange at first but if you like always shift the view lisp is more like you get to what you want to do first and build stuff around it on the go. So its problem first
@BjΓΆrn Gohla No, I mean that I can do that in Haskell, but not Lisp. Lisp doesn't really have type signatures, so such a feature wouldn't really make sense.
As a Schemer (and formerly/sometimes still Objective-C), everything is pretty verbose, and my own functions even more so, so I can search by function name knowing the type and parameters. (vector-index vec searchfunc), (draw-rect-with-edge-color rect edge-width color), etc.
There's no excuse for hardcore Lisp functions like (wadsf w q) "wander down stack frames for word query" (fictional but not unlikely). #lisp
All interned symbols can be found in a lookup table. This table is bound to the obarray symbol.
Hang on a minute...
I can only assume that the underlying C code has its own pointer to this table and the obarray symbol is only provided as a convenience for elisp functions that can't see this pointer? #emacs #lisp
No no, the obarray you see from elisp is the same one used by the reader. Elisp is an old-style Lisp here, and the obarray is a first-class thing: you can make a new one, rebind obarray, etc.
That's the sort of thing people don't do much anymore, but used to do. The documentation covers it reasonably well gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/β¦
I'm starting to get the impression that my doctor's office is trying to drum up business by giving me repeated heart attacks with vague voicemails about some test results I'm waiting on.
For the record, according to the information I have at this very moment, everything is (probably) fine.
That's awesome. I need to hear my own advice, of course, but don't be inhibited to share something that isn't finished. It's the Fediverse! We're all anarchists! The kind sort, I mean.
I'm finally MOOing from #Emacs. I've still got a bunch of work to do to port my customizations over from my old client, but it's Emacs... I'm sure it can do that. #LambdaMOO #moo #mud
Those? Those are disco lights β¦ & this is the heavy metal bash tree. * reaches in through the branches & ornaments* Tang Tang Tang. Proper steel under that green paint.
@screwlisp @Judy Anderson I've been looking to migrate more of my workflow into emacs, in this particular case I'm looking to moo via emacs which I believe you both do?
I believe @screwlisp has mentioned using rmoo, but the only repo I found for that hasn't been updated in over a decade. Is there something more recent I'm not aware of?
I can offer you the moo.el I use, it started out as something by Pavel and/or wRog and was recently updated by KMP for Emacs 29. Randomly looking at some comments I see references to williams.edu making me think that JoeFeedback had a hand in it as well.
I kinda think the version of moo.el that I have will automatically add LambdaMOO when you load moo.el if you don't have a .moo_worlds. I think you only need that if you have more worlds. YMMV, but try pulling moo.el into emacs and searching for 8888 to see the logic that I think is probably doing this. (I didn't track back to see where 'file' is getting its value, but I assume it's .moo_worlds because I don't have a .moo_worlds and somehow LambdaMOO is pre-defined.)
Also, you can, if you prefer, use the mud-add-world function from your .emacs (possibly multiple times with different hosts) to avoid a .moo_worlds. Whether that file is a help or hindrance is a personal taste issue. This is what my .emacs says, right after loading moo.el. It adds MOOsaico, a multilingual MOO in Portugal that I helped program (3 decades ago):
if you want a very lazy solution, Comint mode allows TCP connections (and supports things like history and word navigation). Obviously no fancy features, but it beats telnet!
I can't remember the exact function, I think its "(make-comint 'moo '(ADDRESS . PORT))"
(1) MCP support if you care about that (matters more for JHCore, which enables MCP by default... I think an MCP implementation *does* exist at LambdaMOO)
(2) it is a very thin layer on top of comint.el (what all of the other terminal modes in Emacs use under the hood -- meaning if you're used to the shell and telnet modes, this works the same way and you get all of the various features without having to do any work + it's actively maintained as part of the core Emacs distribution)
@Roger Crewβ ββπΈββββ @Judy Anderson @screwlisp I've got this one working, though I had do a little finessing to get it to installed. Now I need to see if my elisp knowledge is sufficient to customize it in a manner similar to how I'd customized TF.
I'm currently in the process of adding my own custonizations. I've added a rudimebtary shim that processes lines entered bu the user so that it can support commands that get processed on the client side.
Here's an excerpt:
(require 'mud-mcp)
(defun lambdamoo ()
"Connect to LambdaMOO"
(interactive)
(mud-mcp-connect "LambdaMOO" "lambda.moo.mud.org" 8888)
(setq lambdamoo-send-line comint-input-sender
comint-input-sender #'lambdamoo-process-line))
(defconst lambdamoo-commands
'(("send" . lambdamoo-send)
("test" . lambdamoo-test))
"Command functions")
(defvar lambdamoo-send-line nil
"The function that is called to send a line to the server")
(defun lambdamoo-process-line (proc str)
"Process input sent by the user"
(if (string-prefix-p "/" str)
(lambdamoo-process-command proc str)
(funcall lambdamoo-send-line proc str)))
(defun lambdamoo-process-command (proc str)
"Process a command"
(let* ((words (split-string str))
(command (string-trim-left (car words) "/"))
(found (assoc (downcase command)
lambdamoo-commands
#'string=))
(func (and found (cdr found))))
(if func
(funcall func proc str)
(message "Command '%s' not found." command))))
After I wrote all this, I found comments in the file detailing how to add functionality.
Is there a more "proper" way I could've done this?
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