What I wouldn't give for tomorrow to be a boring day.
When a #neurodivergent person tells you about how something is difficult for them, rather than thinking of them as whiny, consider that this probably means they have a certain level of trust in you to drop their mask enough to do so.
Invalidating that struggle is likely also a pretty effective way of eroding that trust.
#ActuallyADHD
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I thought a touchscreen keyboard was the worst possible input device, but they're way more hateful when you only have one working eye. My depth perception has never been great, but...
Just learned that they're shutting the power off tomorrow for 4-5 hours.
That's gonna suck.
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From all available evidence the boiler is still dark too. I guess that shower can wait a while longer.
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Our radiator is now lukewarm instead of ice cold, also the beeping from the panel has stopped. Can it be that they've finished fixing the power? π
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I just put a call to eval in my code and I feel dirty now.
The context went something like this:
(eval (cons 'concat (my-function arg1 arg2)))I had initially hoped to use
(concat . (my-function arg1 arg2))...but this resulted in a call to
(concat my-function arg1 arg2)Which was not what I expected.
Is there a better way I could've written this?
#emacs #lisp #elisp
Edit: Got my answer. I wanted:
(apply 'concat (my-func arg1 arg2))Edit 2:
It turns out the code I really wanted was:
(string-join arg2 arg1)I love reinventing the wheel because I didn't know it was already there.
Edit 3:
Here's the actual code:
(defun lambdamoo-run-text-replacements (str)
"Perform text replacements on the string"
(dolist (vals lambdamoo-text-replacements)
(let* ((from (car vals))
(to (cdr vals))
(split (split-string str from)))
(setq str (string-join split to))))
str)Let's see if there's anything else I've reinvented here.
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@Simon Brooke What I was looking to do was to call concat with the list returned by (my-function arg1 arg2) used as arguments.
As it turns out, all the functionality I was looking for was already supplied by the string-join function. I just didn't know it existed.
@Simon Brooke Also, I don't like calling eval unnecessarily, as it can open you up to security vulnerabilities if not done carefully.
I just wrote a bunch of #elisp code like this:
When the functionality I really wanted was:
I knew the former felt sketchy, but I couldn't think of a better way to do it until just now.
#emacs #lisp
(catch :abort
;; do something
(when condition
(message "A bad thing happened")
(throw :abort nil))
;; do something else
)When the functionality I really wanted was:
(progn
;; do something
(when condition
(user-error "A bad thing happened"))
;; do something else
)I knew the former felt sketchy, but I couldn't think of a better way to do it until just now.
#emacs #lisp
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As a Schemer (and formerly/sometimes still Objective-C), everything is pretty verbose, and my own functions even more so, so I can search by function name knowing the type and parameters. (vector-index vec searchfunc), (draw-rect-with-edge-color rect edge-width color), etc.
There's no excuse for hardcore Lisp functions like (wadsf w q) "wander down stack frames for word query" (fictional but not unlikely).
#lisp
@Digital Mark Ξ» βοΈ πΉ π½ Yeah, tje problem's when it's someone else's code I'm working with.
#Elisp logic:
All interned symbols can be found in a lookup table. This table is bound to the obarray symbol.
Hang on a minute...
I can only assume that the underlying C code has its own pointer to this table and the obarray symbol is only provided as a convenience for elisp functions that can't see this pointer?
#emacs #lisp
No no, the obarray you see from elisp is the same one used by the reader. Elisp is an old-style Lisp here, and the obarray is a first-class thing: you can make a new one, rebind obarray, etc.
That's the sort of thing people don't do much anymore, but used to do. The documentation covers it reasonably well gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/β¦
I'm starting to get the impression that my doctor's office is trying to drum up business by giving me repeated heart attacks with vague voicemails about some test results I'm waiting on.
For the record, according to the information I have at this very moment, everything is (probably) fine.
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I'm a little self-conscious about it as non-trivial is relative, but...
I'm a little self-conscious about it as non-trivial is relative, but...
(defmacro lambdamoo-chatter-interact
(func-name to msg docstring fmtstr &rest vals)
"Define a function for interacting with another player"
(let ((proc (gensym))
(str (gensym)))
`(defun ,func-name (,proc ,str)
,docstring
(let ((,to lambdamoo-chatter)
(,msg (substring-no-properties (lambdamoo-command-text ,str))))
(if ,to
(funcall lambdamoo-send-line ,proc
(format ,fmtstr . ,vals))
(message "No chatter specified"))))))
That's awesome. I need to hear my own advice, of course, but don't be inhibited to share something that isn't finished. It's the Fediverse! We're all anarchists! The kind sort, I mean.
Lisp macros are just so powerful.
@James Endres Howell They really are. They're a little bit of a mind bender until you really get them, but once you do they're such a game changer.
Wait, how do you get the awesome code formatting? Anybody know how to configure this on fediscience.org?
AM I GOING TO HAVE TO SPIN UP MY OWN INSTANCE AGAIN
@James Endres Howell Frendica has a markdown add-on.
I just typed:
```lisp
...code...
```Typing that however was trickier.
RIP Sterrance (my #sourdough starter) who met a tragic end in his glass jar at the hands of gravity and the kitchen floor.
Also, happy birthday to Stella who is going to take a bunch of work to make into another viable starter.
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it is a way of preserving viable starter in case life happens. It will be much faster to restart.
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We're 364 days away from Christmas and people already have their lights up on their house.
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Damn right. My tree is decorated in hot cross buns, ghosts, shamrocks and assorted chocolates. It never has to come down.
@screwlisp @Judy Anderson
I've been looking to migrate more of my workflow into emacs, in this particular case I'm looking to moo via emacs which I believe you both do?
I believe @screwlisp has mentioned using rmoo, but the only repo I found for that hasn't been updated in over a decade. Is there something more recent I'm not aware of?
@Roger Crewβ
ββπΈββββ @Judy Anderson @screwlisp I've got this one working, though I had do a little finessing to get it to installed. Now I need to see if my elisp knowledge is sufficient to customize it in a manner similar to how I'd customized TF.
> had do a little finessing to get it to installed
out of curiosity: what was the problem?
Is it that I didn't make a (M)ELPA package out of it? (nobody just drops things in their ./emacs directory anymore?)
or some other issue?
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ββπΈββββ @Judy Anderson @screwlisp When I ran
I just had to add that and it was all good.
M-x package-install-file, it didn't like that the file didn't end with:;;; mud-mcp.el ends hereI just had to add that and it was all good.
ok, so the answer is indeed
"nobody just drops things in their ./emacs directory anymore"
(really, that's all it's supposed to be.
well okay, that plus
M-x load-library mud-mcp
which is the old-school way of doing things)
(wRog needs to learn MELPA. Film at 11.)
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@Roger Crewβ ββπΈββββ @Judy Anderson @screwlisp It essentially already was a valid ELPA package with the mentioned exception.
I'm currently in the process of adding my own custonizations. I've added a rudimebtary shim that processes lines entered bu the user so that it can support commands that get processed on the client side.
Here's an excerpt:
(require 'mud-mcp)
(defun lambdamoo ()
"Connect to LambdaMOO"
(interactive)
(mud-mcp-connect "LambdaMOO" "lambda.moo.mud.org" 8888)
(setq lambdamoo-send-line comint-input-sender
comint-input-sender #'lambdamoo-process-line))
(defconst lambdamoo-commands
'(("send" . lambdamoo-send)
("test" . lambdamoo-test))
"Command functions")
(defvar lambdamoo-send-line nil
"The function that is called to send a line to the server")
(defun lambdamoo-process-line (proc str)
"Process input sent by the user"
(if (string-prefix-p "/" str)
(lambdamoo-process-command proc str)
(funcall lambdamoo-send-line proc str)))
(defun lambdamoo-process-command (proc str)
"Process a command"
(let* ((words (split-string str))
(command (string-trim-left (car words) "/"))
(found (assoc (downcase command)
lambdamoo-commands
#'string=))
(func (and found (cdr found))))
(if func
(funcall func proc str)
(message "Command '%s' not found." command))))After I wrote all this, I found comments in the file detailing how to add functionality.
Is there a more "proper" way I could've done this?
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The S in IOT stands for Security
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I've got to stop writing code on my phone. The combination of a touchscreen keyboard and tiny screen allows stupid typos to make their way into my code that I would be much more likely to catch on a proper computer.
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@Darcy Casselman It was mostly written properly. They were just little edits that I was too lazy to go over to the computer to make.
I strongly prefer being able to write code on my phone when I need to but I try to keep it to code that I plan to run once immediately and discard.
To the fair folk of the Fedi.
However you choose to deal with the festivities, or don't, or can't, I wish you at least some joy and peace. We are on our way out of the dark and since long before memory or record, humans, it seems, have deemed this worthy of celebrating, at least in some way. But, this may be no more than remembering who you are and realising that the world around us, for all its horror and fear, is still a place of beauty and grace. That there is still kindness and joy and magnificence and the simplest things can show us the most.
So be yourself, enjoy, or not, yourself in the ways that you want to. Let go of shouldn't and what if and all the should be's that plague us. This is not just a time for others, it is your time too. A time to embrace the moment and what we can and we what we have, no matter how little that may seem to be, all the small things and all the great, the stars and the moon (even though we don't have the paperwork for those, and yes, that was a Pratchett reference.) the wind in our hair and everything in between. A time to dream, a time to shine.
Have a good one and wishing you all the best.
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I am dangerously close to unleashing my first #emacs package on the public. It's nothing fancy and still relatively niche, but I deem it potentially useful enough to be worth publishing.
There are a couple small features I want to add and a few things that still need some polish, but it's almost ready for a version 0.1 release.
It's not anything ground breaking or anything. I'm still pretty much an #elisp novice, but I'm proud of it anyway.
More details when it's released.
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@Γlvaro R. At this point all I need to add is a README and two features (which will mostly reuse code I've already written just in a slightly different way).
Surprisingly enough, the hardest part of the whole project was getting it to display numbers with thousands separators. That code might exist in the bowels of the calc package, but it was easier to just roll my own.
your package, your rules! Sometimes rolling your own is more fun and you get exactly the UX you wanted.
Okay, my first #Emacs package is officially released. It was strongly inspired by @Soroban Exam Website's work, providing practice tools for the #soroban. This is the first Emacs package I've ever released. It's probably not perfect, but I welcome feedback on how it can be improved.
I wonder if there is an overlap of more than say five people who are both soroban and emacs users. π
Anyhow, it can be found at: codeberg.org/jlamothe/soroban
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vim guy here. happy to see I inspire others...
May be you could post on our forum. Not sure you will get more users, though
@Soroban Exam Website Might as well. I wrote it mainly for myself, partly because I don't own a printer and this makes it easier to practice when working from a computer screen, but also just to see if I could.
Still, if someone else is going to find it useful, that's probably the place I'll find them.
May be you didn't see you that you can generate an interactive HTML output, on the site.
That was designed for people who don't want to print.
Should I make it more visible?
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@Soroban Exam Website Yeah, that's what I'd been using. I just wanted sonething that worked offline. It's also got some tweaks that make it easier to see what line I'm on when doing additions since I can't slide my soroban over the page.
Whenever Katy tells me "I have an idea but you're not going to like it" she's usually right.
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In other news, my workspace is moving to another room in the apartment.
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Well, everything's mostly set up. Cable management needs some definite work, but at least the layout of my desk is more or less unchanged.
The new arrangement makes more logistical sense, but will require some getting used to. Just about every room in the apartment's been rearranged.
So, I've made the typo "tje" enough times now that my phone's keyboard has stopped correcting it (and even on occasion correcting to it).
Side note: is there a way to tell
format to use a thousands separator? That'd be nifty, but it doesn't look like there is a way.
There's a simple way to first convert a number to a string with comas:
Katy's been down a YouTube rabbit hole on $medical_condition lately. Today we watched a yoga video that purported to relieve one of the symptoms. Cool cool, yoga can have benefits. Let's give it a go. Some of the instructions in this video were oddly specific but whatever, that's fine. Then we read the comments and my cult alarm started blaring.
This was a video with millions of views and an untold number of comments. Some of them were downright scary in their praise for this guy* and there wasn't a single remotely negative comment to be found.
Not one. I looked.
Someone is really dedicated to sliencing dissent on this video, and I can't imagine that being anything shy of a full-time job. That is probably one of the most massive red flags there is.
* e.g.: "Who needs western medicine? $youtuber is always the answer."
Maybe the best way to fight AI taking over our media, is to stop supporting the arts with clicks on ads and subscription fees?
Go see a new band.
Watch a play.
Visit a gallery and talk to an artist.
Maybe if we made it more about supporting artists, and less about cammodifying the arts for our convenience, we wonβt have to lose one of the things that makes humanity great?
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The digital domain forces a change of model.
Y BUT Y, that is: digital leftcopY BUT physical rightcopY.
The digital domain is freely accessible, but commercial exploitation remains the prerogative of the author; in all other domains, all rights remain with the author or artist.
Public Administration should then monitor the circulation of digital works and citizensβ preferences, and accordingly fund the artists who publish under a Y BUT Y license.
Y BUT Y, that is: digital leftcopY BUT physical rightcopY.
The digital domain is freely accessible, but commercial exploitation remains the prerogative of the author; in all other domains, all rights remain with the author or artist.
Public Administration should then monitor the circulation of digital works and citizensβ preferences, and accordingly fund the artists who publish under a Y BUT Y license.
YES. we need to STOP COMMODIFYING ART AND MUSIC AND CULTURE AND OURSELVES. (and make more human created art music and culture)
The US TikTok sale has been signed. The company will be controlled by a joint venture including Oracle, Silver Lake, Andreessen Horowitz, Abu Dhabi-based MGX. Adding a UAE company really makes it clear that this was never about national security concerns.
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Confiscation of (foreign) assets, including intellectual property. Very on brand.
It isn't smart to try to hire above average skilled people and then encourage them to communicate through any medium that munges what they wrote into what software guesses an average person would have been likely to write.
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They told me no spicy foods until tomorrow, but the curry in my fridge is beckoning...
It's not that spicy. Should I?
I probably shouldn't, right?
Having been through many colonoscopies and colon cancer surgery last year my tendency is to trust "them".
One thing I like about running #Debian is that when some project adds something that people don't like, I get plenty of heads up before that version actually hits the official Debian repos. π
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Mozilla right now.
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They should have one of Zen browsers developers as Firefox CEO. Not a finance bro. Firefox should focus on only being a decent browser. They are a foundation, not a for profit corporation and need to act as so.
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DucDuckGo make a poll asking if you want AI or not ?
Are you YES AI or NO AI? Vote now.
Big Tech doesn't care if you want AI or not. They should.voteyesornoai.com
Mac and cheese has never tasted so good n my life.
while the recursive name certainly helps, pizza developers use proprietary ingredients while mac and cheese development is fully free. The source code is in the name!
Although you could argue that Kraft Dinner is proprietary, but that's like a proprietary version of UNIX. People just go to it for nostalgia knowing it's way outdated, and any attempt to replicate it will give a better result.
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Taking my first dose of one of the drugs I was instructed to take before my procedure tomorrow.
How am I supposed to take this again?
*reads prescription label*
"Take as directed"
Thanks. π
Busting out the good tea today.
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I swear to you, my hands are freezing cold right now.π₯ΆI'm sleeping without a blanket.Ieven put my blanket on my baby so Ican keep him warm.Life is truly so unfairπ
I'm freezing! π₯ΆπOh world
I'm freezing!π₯ΆπOh world
I'm freezing!π₯ΆπOh world
Please, let your kindness warm me tonight so I can buy myself a blanketππ₯Ί
chuffed.org/project/161145
Pleaseπππ @gvenema
@tekul @AnnaLion
#Gaza #Palestine #GazaVerified #genocide #famine #warCrimes #StopIsrael #StopTheGenocide #mutualAid
@kathimmel
@divya
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Wow, that's a beautiful invention! I wish there was something like it in Gaza.ππ
No, no, we don't have anything like that in Gaza. If it existed, we would know about it and it would be sold everywhere, but I've never heard of it before.
Going in for a medical procedure (probably nothing to be worried about) that's going to require me to start a clear liquid diet tomorrow morning. It's gonna suck, but at least 12 years as a Mormon taught me how to deal with being hungry for an extended period (because fasting). I made sure to eat well for my last meal tonight though.
So the procedire in question is a colonoscopy. In addition to the diet they've also prescribed laxatives. I just took the first dose a short while ago. Apparently these things work fast.
It's going to be an interesting night.
Mercifully, I mostly slept through the night. This morning though... let's just say I shan't be leaving the apartment for any reason.
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Quality products from Acme. Accept no substitutes.
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If you want a rigorous analysis of why statistical #AI models collapse when continuously trained on their own data without external supervision and constraints, read this amazing paper from last year.
If you want to get a visual intuition of how model collapse looks like, look at this video.
When AI stares at its own reflection for too long, and its inference is purely rooted on statistics rather than reasoning, this becomes statistically inevitable.
Keep this in mind whenever you hear someone talking about βAI models learning from their own outputsβ without addressing the statistical parrot issue.
AI models collapse when trained on recursively generated data - Nature
Β Analysis shows that indiscriminately training generative artificial intelligence on real and generated content, usually done by scraping data fromΒ the Internet, can lead to a collapse in the ability of the models to generate diverse high-quality outβ¦Nature
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Why would anyone think that an industry whose motto is "go fast and break things" could be trusted to make self-driving cars?
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You can always tell when I'm #sewing by the increase in profanity.
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The sad thing is, this actually looks official, knowing how Google neutered Incognito mode on Chrome.
Google is actually petty enough to rub that fact in people's faces by making this meme into something official.
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itβs so exhausting, you choose your words correctly and they ignore them and insert their βinterpretation,β instead. Itβs like talking to the cat. π
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I struggle with word interpretation. And you definitely get looked at as bad when you dont follow implicit rules.
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It's more profitable for them to "interpret" (distort) than to try to understand. Becomes habit, they do it to each other without thinking. Discard the words and keep their twisted idea of what they meant.
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if it wasn't all of them, you'd call it debilitating paranoia π
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I wonder if it comes from reading strategies teachers teach in fiction that causes thatβ¦
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Context clues specifically. I realized it might not be obvious what im thinking about.
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I want to use the R-word for the shock value, I want to say, Watch for my next blog, "R-worded by Violence," and I'm serious about it. It should be paranoia, but the same type that's paranoid really is dangerous to everybody, so it's complicated, but that's how I would like to classify them, disabled by their "strength."
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Frequent enough to show a pattern. (I try to not fall into "Us vs. Them" language with my psych, goes without saying.)
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issues with misinterpretation? i was way on the autistic side and my ex was wayyyy on the adhd side and they *always* misinterpreted everything i said, even after multiple conversations that i mean what i say
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gawd, I don't know, I only hatched as Autistic a few years ago . . .
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I've been thinking of Autism and Allism, NTness as opposites, I think I've heard something about people otherwise ND but still Allistic, still not Autistic
.
I suppose there could be both sorts, all combinations
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that's all I got, I hope someone has better π
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Used to misinterpret often until my twenties but got better at reading people (normies mostly, really). Misinterpretation was an entirely different pattern from the NT one, though.
(Still w/o formal diagnosis here. Personal certainty at 80% for ADHD, > 50% por autism; other things not at all clear but comorbidities are common; late-blooming trans, FWIW, and there are correlations with that.)
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I'm self assessed, and I'm quite sure about Autism, but I'm starting to consider ADHD. I hadn't, because I'm not hyper, my sibling was the hyper one, but I'm starting to be open to it.
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Same. Never could decide if it was closer to an ADHD or autistic trait. See? There's the overlap again.
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@angelastella @punishmenthurts @autistics living with someone w undiagnosed adhd for over a decade has 100% allowed me to discern that i definitely absolutely do not have any features of adhd.
the amount of chaos that a person w adhd has to live with to function has allowed me to definitively learn that i never ever ever ever want to have any sort of relationship with an adhd'er again.
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yeah, I had one high energy older sibling π¬
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Has to live? Hmm. Confirmation that we ADHD fuckers are widely different from each other. I must tolerate my chaos because I cannot control or reduce it, but it hurts me a lot. I lived in ordered environments and didn't become nonfunctional. Autistic need for certain stimuli notwithstanding.
Not defending or justifying anything, just illustrating the AuDHD spectrum.
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Never did really calibrate my personal requirement of these inputs. I think I can manage with sort of an internal generator of novelty, variation, distraction or whatever it is.
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down (and fall asleep amazingly)
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AFAICT that interaction does not usually happen, and I have sensory processing issues that cause me to... malfunction. (Had something close to a meltdown last month during a very noisy, chaotic meeting at a place that had become dark. Not getting visual cues as to who was speaking was the last straw for me.)
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I put myself to sleep like that once, when an acid trip went scary, an emergency shutdown button is handy sometimes
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Now that you mention it, that is what happens to me when I smoke weed above a certain dose. If I remove myself from social stimuli, I fall asleep like a baby. Way easier and cleaner than with alcohol.
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I need weed for sleep, but also to be awake.
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that experience was almost fifty years ago, I thought I was having some real brain event, I wasnβt sure I was going to wake up
as myself, I couldnβt think two words together, thought I was, uh, fragmented. π¬
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Happily woke up OK. π
I mean, thatβs my opinion, LOL.
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@angelastella @punishmenthurts @autistics stuff like that happens to me a lot where things bother me but seemingly do not bother other people. then i start spiraling and panicking because i dont understand why it bothers me and no one else. then i end up feeling guilty because it bothers me. then i start having a meltdown because im feeling insane about the whole situation.
the autistic shame cycle strikes again!
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"What's wrong with these people?" Yeah, I know.
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@angelastella @autistics @punishmenthurts i would not be surprised if the dsm combined it all under neurodivergence in the next version *but* i still believe that adhd and autism is far less related than what people actually want it to be.
one good point, autistic people are bottom up thinkers on the whole while people with adhd can be either top down or bottom up. you already have a significant difference in thought processing that can lead to multiple misinterpretations and other issues that cause interpersonal strife.
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Hmm, definitely bottom-up at heart. Learned top-down later and fragmentarily. And yes, it is at the root of miscommunication a lot of the time, even between NTs.
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I want them to find out more on the testing thing⦠I want to know my categories more specifically⦠felt like I got diagnosed with everything.
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I also kinda like the PDA label and the NVLD things cause they feel closer? But they arent in there. I really want presentation styles. Its kinda annoying cause I think my presentation though recognizably autistic to other autisticsβ¦ is very presentation different. My friends describe me as masklessβ¦
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Hell, I really wasn't up to speed with these. Still learning at close to 50 because they cut us off from each other. (No, I'm not bitter, what an idea.)
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Poloniousmonk
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I find that so, so frustrating.
When I speak, the message is in the fucking words. Not the microcues. Not the body language. Not the tone. I'm verbal.
And yes, it's pretty useless around neurotypicals.
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
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the very stuff we have to listen to them bragging about in school, how smart humans are to have spoken language!
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Drives ya nuts. π π
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Yeah, humans. Don't you know that we mutants don't really belong to the species?
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it was surely true at some point, we do have spoken language, but itβs one of those sci-fi stories where theyβve forgotten how it works ππ
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glory days π
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My theory is that we evolved as a second locus of power in a tribal society. You had the leader, who maintained power through charm and violence. And you had the gender-queer medicine person who was respected as a thinker. When the leader was about to lemming the tribe off a cliff, the medicine person would intervene. And the leader knew to back down.
Just my $0.02
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Agnostic about that hypothesis (actually, fuck me if I know how to get evidence for or against it) but sounds entirely plausible.
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And don't you dare have a glitch in your lexical-semantic network and substitute a word for another. They will use that against you instantly and no correction will get things back on track.
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Of course, NTs play these stupid status and domination games all the time and they won't ever believe we don't have either the skill or the inclination for that.
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thatβs a tough one for me, I love the perfect word, even if no-one knows it and itβs as long as your arm. π³π
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What helps keep me grounded is I know the fancier the words are, itβs often a sign of bullshit, so I try to make myself say things in plain language, if it canβt be said plainly, itβs probably not true enough.
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Fuck yes. Cursing keeps your brain clean as a motherfucking whistle.
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fuckinβ eh π
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itβs another layer of complexity, a scale of finely tuned emphasis
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I just got fucked by that. I asked someone if a bill had to be paid up front or could be paid in arrears. Afterward, I figured out he didn't know what "in arrears" meant. He just lied to me instead.
I blame the schools. They teach you to never admit you don't know something and always try to bullshit your way through it.
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Γngela Stella Matutina
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Cheating bastard. And yes, schools teach hypocrisy, manipulation and pathological indifference to your fellow human's suffering.
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Mux2000 (exfoliating)
in reply to Γngela Stella Matutina • • •And that's not by accident.
@Uair @emily_rugburn @punishmenthurts @me @autistics
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No. It's clearly by design. Cold, calculating will to keep us divided, distrustful of each other and unable to cooperate selflessly.
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I hate the bullshit your way through it advice!
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NoBorg
in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •@punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @autistics
Language is so ambiguous, words can have different meanings, even sentences. That's why sometimes we need further clarification.
Think about it:
"He's hot" ( mmm... he's cute? he's mad? or is it the weather? are we actually talking about temperature? ) ;)
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rubbish. It can be, when people want it to be, and a certain sort always wants it to be.
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NoBorg
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Yes, that's true too. Some people use ambiguity for different purposes, some to wake up fear and manipulate others, make them suffer; yet ambiguity is also at the basis of humor and it may be used then to make others laugh, feel better.
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in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •Cats have a higher chance of being trustworthy
@emily_rugburn @me @autistics
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more akin to herding cats
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not doing what they want it to do "why dont you know what i mean??"
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Me: "Ok Nabu. When was Loki fed?"
HA: "I don't know of anything called lokafed"
Me: "Hmm... I pronounce that a bit jumbled, apparently. I'll add 'lokafed' to the command."
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I love that godβs handle. Low key Loki. π
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in reply to sonja • •@sonja @Actually Autistics I don't know that I've noticed it in exactly that way, but my masking has become so deeply ingrained over the years that I seldom give people the opportunity unless I'm very close with them.
This has occasionally been to my detriment, but it has made me into a really solid independent learner when I find something I really want to sink my teeth into.
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Im missing a rudder for learning on my own. Feels like im drifting in spaceβ¦
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Yes
My pain mostly comes from trying to join specific alternative lifestyles and their special-interest groups (like around the german BDSM scene)
People there literally say things like "we are not here to spoonfed you" or "we dont deal with low-effort people"
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Oh yes! It is sooo making tired to explain... and never been understood (hope my english is ok π)
@me @autistics
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"I got mine, fuck you" is the rough version of that.
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DFX4509B (Joshua Mason)
in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •Talking on the phone is something I've always sucked at, while I'm completely fluent when typing out text messages and do that on the reg.
Also, it's possible to manage sensory issues and the like; I used to have major issues with getting goopy stuff on my skin, so things like paint, glue, etc, for the longest time as a kid, for example, although I have since learned to manage that and it's not really an issue for me anymore, but that still takes a lot of time and effort to get to that point and sensory issues don't just go away even if they're successfully managed; they still exist.
Jonathan Lamothe
in reply to DFX4509B (Joshua Mason) • •@DFX4509B (Joshua Mason) Yeah, my biggest problem is that my mouth doesn't have a backspace key. I can draft and re-draft written correspondence before hitting send, but when I say a thing, it's just out there.
Also, I sometimes need multiple passes over a sentence to process what someone has said (or written). People get upset when I ask them to repeat certain things more than once. When it's written, I just move my eyes back to the beginning of the sentence as many times as necessary and nobody's any the wiser (except for me, I guess).
DFX4509B (Joshua Mason)
in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •Also, it feels kinda nice to be able to open up here or on Mastodon, while if I tried opening up similarly on Facebook or Twitter, or sadly even Bsky to some extent for that matter, I'd probably get ostracized for it.
Although I'm more of a visual type when it comes to expression anyways, as in I like to draw or paint a lot and consider myself pretty good at it.
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Thank you, but I don't believe I have the spoons to read long texts (I'll try to find it in audio form).
My own experience of school, and what I've learned about them since, present a solid case against them in any case.
Fucking child prisons.
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old is this shit?
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Hey, thank you. Back in the day I translated "The Six-Lesson Schoolteacher" for my family and friends. This essay looks like a good companion to it. I don't know which of his books I read because they were re-titled: one was something like Compulsory Miseducation. Decades ago, my now adult kids were babies.
The Six-Lesson Schoolteacher, by John Taylor Gatto
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
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it doesn't necessarily fit in my system, where we were here first. And so far, it seems their type show up in charge, not taking advice from anyone, but
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if that scenario ever happened, warrior king with an Autistic prime minister or consigliere, it would suggest that when the warriors showed up, some of us foolishly thought we could keep them and use them
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and I was fantasizing that the Neolithic people understood at least breeding if not evolution, and would know not to do that
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Unknown parent • • •Gave it a listen. He's correct, of course, but it's nothing I didn't already know. Funny how he mentions that schools were a Prussian institute, but not that the Prussians were inspired by the methods brahmins used to maintain the Indian caste system...
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in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •@punishmenthurts
We end up with allists in power because the ones willing to hurt others in the pursuit of power usually aren't autistic.
None of the autists I know show the slightest draw to power. The most I can say is that we're driven to find influence by a sense of injustice.
An autist will (in my limited experience) gladly give up a position of power (e.g. give a patent away or give up copyright) if it benefits the world.
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it's what I call Allistic science. They're good at physics and stuff, but they have a disability regarding the study of humans, they have the mythical, Human Nature sitting where a whole lot of science would be most helpful. The Davids said it gently and only once in #TheDawnOfEverything , that the Turtle Islanders found the Euro invaders to lack the "actuarial," sense, that they do not see how their treatment of one another affects society and their lives, they lack a functioning naΓ―ve psychology.
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lobotomy.might actually make me smrtrrr
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Poloniousmonk
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That's fucking hilarious. Thanks for sharing.
Although, I really don't remember a "shocked" tone. I remember it as respectful. But this was 35 years ago and I was a dipshit kid. I'm not gonna reread it now. I have better things to do with my time.
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I thought it was . . . Chagnon that everybody hated. I can't remember, what was Meade's deaL?
Poloniousmonk
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90s? early naughts?
Harper's is legit, tho. They never jumped the shark.
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@Uair i mean, margaret mead was totally debunked and it physically *pains* me to see anyone praising her.
its like calling margaret sanger the forerunner for women's rights but completely neglecting the whole eugenics thing. blech.
Douglas Edwards
in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •@punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @Uair This is part of what I mean by saying that the #mindblindness / "theory of mind deficit" idea almost has it backwards. While #allistics do have a theory of mind, they typically let it atrophy from neglect, habitually using the automatic, intuitive mechanisms built into their #EnvironmentalYoke instead of doing any explicit theorizing. That approach may be great if all you're interested in is jockeying for position in a social hierarchy. It's not so great if you'd like to understand what kind of world your actions are building.
@autistics
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Unknown parent • • •@Uair @Mux @punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @autistics
Fuck me, so that's an informal diagnostic criterion for autism too?
I've upped my estimate again. Will ask about getting evaluated soon.
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in reply to Mux2000 (exfoliating) • • •@Mux @punishmenthurts @Uair @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics
Isn't Elon Musk autistic? I believed I read he revealed it himself.
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Mux2000 (exfoliating)
in reply to NoBorg • • •Don't know, don't care. I'm speaking in generalities anyway. Even if he is, exceptions are to be expected. One autistic trait he definitely does not exhibit is a strong sense of justice.
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yeah. If I had to pick, I say heβs Allistic, but if not, whatβs the difference?
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Does that make being a billionaire Nazi an Autistic trait? If he pursues severely Allistic goals with all of his resources, does it matter if heβs masking, only pretending to be that?
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I mean, this is personal, I have exactly this going with my ex family, they never loved me because Iβm a weirdo, it was always obvious that my in laws strove to be seen as normal
and to be popular, itβs what they live for, but after they disposed of me for imaginary Allistic crimes, now they are all self diagnosed Autistics, and whatβs the difference to me?
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I mean, I hope Iβm the last Autistic these heavily masking Autistics destroy.
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A few famous people masking doesnβt mean itβs not a hyper Allistic thing to be what he is. People mask, people donβt know, one name means nothing.
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in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •Goiterzan, my question was mainly in response to Mux2000: "We end up with allists in power because the ones willing to hurt others in the pursuit of power usually aren't autistic. "
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in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •@punishmenthurts @Uair @Mux @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics
I was just wondering because Musk has hurt a lot of people and he said he was autistic. So, we have to watch out for prejudgements and don't assume that only a certain type of person can get to high power positions or hurt others.
We all are human, autistic or not; we all are capable of good and bad :/
Nobody is better or worst than others, we are just different.
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and I agree with Mux, usually thatβs the case, aggression is more of an Allistic trait than an ND trait, I have written whole books and many blogs and a thousand toots saying that.
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Iβm saying it would be less usual for an Autistic to want that much power, but it surely happens sometimes. And again, weβre talking about types and big data, one dude doesnβt prove anything or mean anything.
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what we all CAN do or COULD do means nothing, it doesnβt discriminate, it is the absence of information, it means nothing. Real Allistics hurt way more people than real Autistics, and that any one of them COULD go the other direction means nothing, and do you prefer things that mean nothing? You want to correct me so nothing means anything for me?
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in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •@punishmenthurts @Uair @Mux @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics
I don't know if there are scientific studies on the subject.
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in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •@punishmenthurts @Uair @Mux @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics
No, I don't want to correct you, I'm just reflecting out loud. And I wondered if there were scientific studies on the subject because I think science is more accurate than our individual perceptions.
If there are no scientific studies on the subject I would always question my own perceptions and conclusions.
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These are totally Allistic arguments youβre giving us, N. Like we donβt exist, like there arenβt types.
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in reply to NoBorg • • •as far as I know there arenβt any. Maybe they call the ND pathologically nonviolent, maybe they study that. π
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in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •This sent me down a Google Scholar rabbit hole from which I emerged with the following conclusion - the current state of research on the intersection between autism and social values, such as control, violence and the will to power is shit.
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in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •I have bipolar disorder, in treatment for decades. It's a neurodivergent condition as well.
I kinda don't care what people take me for, though. Some people are just going to find what they don't like wherever they look.
I scare people.
And I trust no one.
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in reply to sonja • • •90% of everything is shit, and sadly that includes autistic people.
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As long as we're trading made-up statistics (and make no mistake, I respected the hell out of Ted Sturgeon), I'm partial to the one which says that 10% of people are assholes and crooks, 10% are--for all practical purposes--saints, and the remaining 80% can be convinced to swing in either way. Which means: how we organize society means something. Also (partially) explains how a well-run campaign can make fascism come back almost everywhere.
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in reply to Miakoda • • •@Mux @punishmenthurts @Uair @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics ...if I had that power, I'd strongly prefer nobody knew it was me. I don't need nor want my name on that stuff, I just want people to be ok. Seeing people happy and safe would be all I want out of it.
This topic makes me tear up. We have all the resources for everyone to be ok, and we, as a species, just don't do it for some reason.
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One thing is the desire to do things like these, and quite another the drive to rule over others, even to achieve these goals. Making tools out of my fellow humans it's not something I'm skilled to do. Let them find their own way, I have quite enough bossing myself.
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people believe its malicious and sociopathic
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So 10% godβs fool Autistics, 80% Allistic, and 10% hyper Allistic?
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in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •It sure is. But the times I get consideration it is for them a passing moment in time, while for me it is literary my everyday.
Too often the same people forget that moment, the next times we are in a similar situation.
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Yes, this. It's not that hard, the longest part is learning to detect when you're fooling yourself and correcting it.
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student loans....
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in reply to sonja • • •itβs probably against the law π π
to give it all away
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in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •@punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @Uair @arisummerland @hellomiakoda @Mux @autistics
If it's not, they will find a way to make it illegal. It's not about the money. It's about power.
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Γngela Stella Matutina
Unknown parent • • •@Uair @punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @arisummerland @hellomiakoda @Mux @autistics
Let's hope so. Trump et al are making an unholy amount of damage.
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sonja
in reply to Miakoda • • •Sensitive content
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Mux2000 (exfoliating)
in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •No good deed goes unpunished
@emily_rugburn @Uair @arisummerland @hellomiakoda @angelastella @me @autistics
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NoBorg
Unknown parent • • •sounds awful! :/
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Γngela Stella Matutina
in reply to NoBorg • • •It is. Should be illegal but here we are. Year or two ago some of us had to report the hell out of an account promoting ABA. To their credit, the mods at mastodon.social threw them out within the day.
(Of course we used the word "torture" in our reports.)
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NoBorg
Unknown parent • • •@Uair @emily_rugburn @Mux @punishmenthurts @angelastella @autistics
Poloniosmonk, you can get away from your grandfather, you can get away from your family, but you can't get away from yourself. You're stuck having to live with yourself 24 hours a day, 7 days a week! So, you better make of him a great person to share life with ;)
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Energetic Nova
in reply to Γngela Stella Matutina • • •@angelastella @hadon @Uair @Mux @punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @autistics
Because I have PDAβ¦ I have some diff feelingsβ¦ since my autism causes health issuesβ¦
Im in a space of willing to try anything. CBT/DBT failed. The focus on mindfulness, the part of both of those that made it fail makes me know ACT also wont work. Anything focusing on thought control is a failure. I really need something else. Its so stupid how I canβt find something to actually help me gain a rudder.
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Sonikku
in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •That <insert_expletive_here> boss of mine totally doesn't get this at all, yet somehow he became a people leader.
Has the people skills of a bowling ball
Jonathan Lamothe
in reply to Sonikku • •@Sonikku All too freaking common.
A good boss should reduce or remove barriers that impede their subordinates from doing their job effectively. Shockingly few can actually accomplish this.
Moss da Bard π¨π¦π§π§π²π½π¬π±
Unknown parent • • •You sure you're not AI?
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Γngela Stella Matutina
in reply to Moss da Bard π¨π¦π§π§π²π½π¬π± • • •@bardmoss @Uair @punishmenthurts @emily_rugburn @autistics
Of all the tasteless, lazy jokes I've read this year, yours certainly is one.
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
in reply to Moss da Bard π¨π¦π§π§π²π½π¬π± • • •Actually Autistics reshared this.
Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
in reply to Γngela Stella Matutina • • •.
thank you, I didnβt get it was a joke until you said so, now Iβm laughing.
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At least Polonius doesnβt need a whole nuclear power plant to make him go π
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Dziadek
in reply to Mux2000 (exfoliating) • • •@Mux @punishmenthurts @hadon @Uair @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics
Reminds me of something Douglas Adams wrote: It is a well-known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.
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Mux2000 (exfoliating)
in reply to Dziadek • • •Can you tell he's an inspiration of mine π
@punishmenthurts @hadon @Uair @angelastella @emily_rugburn @me @autistics
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Moss da Bard π¨π¦π§π§π²π½π¬π±
Unknown parent • • •I'm just saying the description you gave sounded just like AI. Not that it was written by AI, but it was descriptive thereof.
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Unknown parent • • •That's how democracies should work. With lots to choose temporary position, not with elections. What we have now is a mockery of the term.
@DziadekMick @punishmenthurts @hadon @angelastella @emily_rugburn @me @autistics
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
in reply to Moss da Bard π¨π¦π§π§π²π½π¬π± • • •.
but you could get there if you just had more power π€£
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Γngela Stella Matutina
in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •@punishmenthurts @bardmoss @Uair @emily_rugburn @autistics
I'll follow Randall Munroe here: adding more power ends badly.
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Γngela Stella Matutina
in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •@punishmenthurts @bardmoss @Uair @emily_rugburn @autistics
Let's say I thought best taking it as such. Defuse it if it was an insult, making them rethink if some other thing. (It apparently was.)
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
in reply to Γngela Stella Matutina • • •.
π
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NoBorg
in reply to Dziadek • • •@DziadekMick @Mux @punishmenthurts @Uair @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics
Dziadek, makes me think of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
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Dziadek
in reply to NoBorg • • •@hadon @Mux @punishmenthurts @Uair @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics
Think itβs more the belief that itβs not normal to want to have power and control. That sort of desire is a dark side of our selves. And itβs not an original Adams thought.
Dear old Kurt was there before him:
"There is a tragic flaw in our precious Constitution, and I donβt know what can be done to fix it. This is it: Only nut cases want to be president."
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in reply to Dziadek • • •@DziadekMick @Mux @punishmenthurts @Uair @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics
There's hierarchy in animal groups, so yearning for leadership is a natural trait. But natural leadership should be won in a fair way, you have to prove that you are a leader, not impose it by force. So what I consider abnormal is people who lie, cheat or kill to get to power.
A real leader is respected, not feared.
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Γngela Stella Matutina
in reply to cybervegan • • •@cybervegan @hadon @DziadekMick @Mux @punishmenthurts @Uair @emily_rugburn @autistics
But do we love (hate) our hierarchies! The authoritarian who doesn't feel a thrill when asking "who is in charge here?" hasn't been born yet.
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Γngela Stella Matutina
in reply to cybervegan • • •@cybervegan @hadon @DziadekMick @Mux @punishmenthurts @Uair @emily_rugburn @autistics
As stated in another branch of this conversation, most of us here don't want to be even near a position of power.
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
in reply to NoBorg • • •.
That Good Leader fantasy that never actually happens is forever pushed by the majority to justify the filthy swine we do get and itβs not better in the primate groups, just because some primates have a dictator doesnβt somehow make that a good thing.
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Dziadek
Unknown parent • • •@punishmenthurts @angelastella @cybervegan @hadon @Mux @Uair @emily_rugburn @autistics
In which case, Iβll dust this one off.
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
Unknown parent • • •.
Yeah, what do you mean, βwe,β white man? π (I donβt know that youβre a white man, itβs an old Lone Ranger joke.)
Dziadek
in reply to Γngela Stella Matutina • • •@angelastella @cybervegan @hadon @Mux @punishmenthurts @Uair @emily_rugburn @autistics
looping back into a point made earlier β¦ those are the people who should be classed as neurodivergent
Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •the damned epstein files, thereβs your animal alphas, banging your daughters and your wife (and maybe even your dog, what was the movie, denzel and lithgow?) π
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •.
sorry, blogβs gone, Iβll find something later. Second sleep.
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Dziadek
in reply to NoBorg • • •@hadon @Mux @punishmenthurts @Uair @angelastella @emily_rugburn @autistics
Our original society had no leaders. An elder, yes, but decision-making was done by a group, often advised by a shaman (or similar). I believe leaders came into being when *some fool* decided to claim a piece of land and fight for it.
And to quote somebody: Youβre not a leader without followers.
Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
Unknown parent • • •oh, boy. π
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OK, nobody reads blogs, so Iβll try to just say it.
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Some anthropologists have stories about how when an egalitarian group gets a βbig man,β starting to push his weight around, how they arrange an accident for him and carry on with their lives. One gets the impression they know they have to nip that shit in the bud.
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The scientists donβt think humans have alphas, I think they have traced alpha family genes in chimps and find no such genetics in humans. (Iβve forgotten where I got that, it may need some citation.)
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But to my mind, they are all alpha aggressive, and what they are really seeing is no FEW alphas among humans, and ALL alphas - so no genetic difference exists to find. My idea is that at some point in our prehistory, somewhere in the near east, the alphas had it all their way, eliminated the beta through zeta typesβor at least their breeding, and most of humankind are now the alphasβ children.
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They all look like alphas because they all think they can tell one another what to do, and they all look like alphas because they hate being told what to do. Freedom! is the cry of the alpha in a world with no-one taking their orders. They burn the books and donβt need to learn because the alpha is the teacher, they tell you what you need to know.
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And my thing, spanking:
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you hit a natural born subject, a zeta, you get obedience, a passive response. You βspank,β a natural born alpha, thatβs fight training and alpha epigenetics.
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So Allism is alphaism, twisted out of context. And spanking doesnβt deter them.
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I wouldnβt necessarily bet the farm, but it works pretty good.
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Oh - that happened with the orangutans, every one is a dormant alpha, and when an alpha dies, someone else grows the big face and such. Sapolsky told us this after Iβd guessed it about people.
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and evolution works at whatever speed the environment changes or you get unselected.
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •more theories and βjust so,β evidence:
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Everyone complains about the beta through zetas, the problem is the sheeple - this betrays the complainerβs neurology, they are not with the followers, they think following is stupid. Which makes the speaker alpha-compatible, they think everyone should be an alpha, thinking for themselves. Counterintuitive, maybe, divergent, maybe.
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But there arenβt followers, they are all βleading,β each other.
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You see a million people going the same direction, whoβs to say itβs one leader and a million followers and not a million leaders who only know one way to go and no followers?
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Ask them! See how many call themselves followers.
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •I wonβt spam you again, but the second last blog of the Spanking Gene Blog is the Open Letter to the Power, where I try to teach this gonzo idea to the illuminati, to stop abusing their zetas because theyβre NOT zetas and they will never settle down π€£
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
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for the ND - isnβt that what it feels like, the so called DEP and whatnot, like every bloody one of them seems to automatically assume theyβre your boss, every one has the god given right to tell us how weβre supposed to be about everything? ππππ³
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
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sorry to spam everyone just to take @hadon through the looking glass πππ€£π
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •N., Iβll offer a weakness: youβd think the rut makes every deer and elk an alpha too, the whole herd, children of alphas but they donβt sem to be in quite our state of chaos because of it, not sure what the difference would be . . . I mean, maybe they know it? They donβt assume each other are betas, etc., like humans do?
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extremely speculative, of coarse. π
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EDIT TO ADD: I know there are many sorts of breeding controls, some animals get bred by multiple males and actively choose sperm, rejecting some and keeping others, I donβt know this about particular higher mammals, but any species with both alphas and more passive sorts must have something like that going on. With primates itβs usually just, βcheating,β on the alphas.
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Thatβs part of my idea, that somehow, somewhere, some human alpha defeated all those sorts of checks and balances. π
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Mux2000 (exfoliating)
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@DziadekMick @hadon @punishmenthurts @angelastella @emily_rugburn @me @autistics
I call bullshit. Big anarchist societies existed throughout history and prehistory and some exist today.
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Mux2000 (exfoliating)
in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •You won't find any scientific evidence because the whole alpha/beta thing is unscientific garbage based on a debunked study in captive wolf populations that didn't even hold for wild ones.
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
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Somethingβs bothering, I overreached, orangutans are like that, any one can become the alpha - but I sure donβt know that they were ever a familial alpha sort, like other species, I canβt say that they ever had genetic alphas and genetic others and that thatβs some normal stage, I donβt know that orangutans havenβt been this way since they became orangutans, do I?
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
in reply to Mux2000 (exfoliating) • • •.
if thatβs true about ungulates and primates too, no alphas anywhere, then the whole thing is just a projection from Allistic humans and itβs still my larger point: Allism is alpha neurology, it would just be the only such then. π
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