I've been agonizing over posting this for like 46 minutes now. It started as a reply to one of @FinalGirl's posts (as we're mutuals and her posts give me a glimpse into a side of Mastodon that I don't normally get to see).
So, the meat of what I want to say is that I'd love to have more Black folx in my day-to-day life. There's so much shit that I'm just not privy to because my circles are hella white...and that's fucked up.
At least on Fedi I get to hear about some of the issues the Black community faces, but I also feel like I can't do much other than *try* not to be one of the problematic white folx while boosting Black voices into my circles.
Why the agonizing? Because I know about the three types of Queer Ally™, and I assume Black folx deal with something similar.
- Type 1 is "okay with you being queer", but will probably vote against you if it lowers the price of eggs.
- Type 2 puts up a "love is love" sign and congratulates themselves on being such a good ally—they might even know some queer folx.
- Type 3 has queer friends and family because it's a normal thing to have, supports them like they would anyone they really cared about, and listens to queer voices in their lives when they say there are problems. They may not always "get it", but they actively try.
The problem is that the ratio of the three is like 100:10:1 (if I'm being *really* generous).
I want to be that third type. I worry that I'm that second type. But I know it's safest for Black folx to assume I'm the first type (or worse) because that's just how the numbers work—especially when the cost of misplaced trust is much higher than the benefit of a potential friend.
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I'm right there with you, sibling! This is *exactly* how I've been feeling about the dearth of Black folks on here for years. I want to help, but I know how I look, and I know it means I look untrustworthy. And I don't blame Black people for that.
Anyway, 100% co-signed.
Unicorny~
in reply to 🅰🅻🅸🅲🅴 (🌈🦄) • • •I have many of the same worries - but not limited to that group. I grew up in Scandinavia with everyone being white, cis and straight. We had one gay dude and two adopted Asians in the entire community *.
My racism and blindness to it is ingrained from childhood and something I have to actively combat - and I fear, I fail all too often.
*I later learned another story, but that was how it felt back then and how it was -told-.
@FinalGirl
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in reply to 🅰🅻🅸🅲🅴 (🌈🦄) • • •I wonder how much of the invisibility of harassment comes from federation/decentralization.
I will often see someone complaining about the replies to their post and think "but all of these seem fine" before clicking through to the home instance and seeing the ones that did not get federated over to my instance.
I know there was some work recently to fix the "get all replies to this post" code and I wonder if it's changed anything there
George B
Unknown parent • • •Yeah I've seen a couple of threads about the "followers only + tagged" brigading system and that does look like a big problem.
I wonder if they will just remove the ability to tag additional people in a followers only post
Luna
in reply to 🅰🅻🅸🅲🅴 (🌈🦄) • • •I feel like there's another likely element at play for Fedi too. Plenty of us here are marginalized ourselves whether it be because of our sexuality, gender identity, religion or lack-there-of, and/or disability status.
As a result, a lot of us are in a position where we have the privilege of being white, abled or abled passing, and have given up some of our privilege in order to be who we are.
Plenty of us come from bigoted upbringings. Arguably, I would say that any white person has come from a bigoted upbringing whether it be obvious or not. I'm from Mississippi and from a part of it that is overwhelmingly black. So in my case you'd have to actually be trying to miss it instead of being allowed the freedom of ignorance that comes from being raised in a whitetopia where you could live you whole life and never see a person of color more times than you could count on one hand.
As a result, when we move from privilege to being more marginalized, I think a lot of us look at that and think that makes us the minority whisperer that can relate to anyone of marginalized status. A lot of us don't do the work and as a result we have problematic behaviors and because we're also marginalized we don't listen and learn as we should in order to be able to do that work.
I am one of a small minority of white people in the US who will know what it's like to go to school with people who don't look like you, to have had mentors who don't look like you, and to have authority figures in local government who do not look like you. I understand why black people have to code switch because I have actually had to code switch in my life. People accept you better if you engage with them in a way that they recognize and feel comfortable with.
All that said, I cannot speak for black people. I can talk about a minority experience because I am a minority, but only for the specific minorities I am a part of. I may have a fraction of an experience that's in common with the black experience but that's from the other side of things and due to whiteness, people who have had experiences like mine can use those experiences to further justify the bigotry they were raised on.
There are a bunch of us who are supportive on paper, have some means of relating, and will then talk over black people anyway because we think our marginalization makes us special.
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A) Follow and Boost Black voices (or better BIPOC) -- they are the experts.
B) If you've been doing (A) and a type (1) person is being vocal about being right ("not ALL white people ... for example), talk about how you learned to listen without getting out of joint about it.
C) Basically, teach type (1) and (2) about how to move to (3): that shouldn't be the job of which ever minority we are trying to help.
D) Report any abusers/nazis. You can report on behalf of someone else, and more people reporting may get a faster response.
E) Again, listen and boost!
J. R. DePriest :EA DATA. SF:
in reply to Analog AI • • •@Retreival9096 the BIPOC folks I follow have mostly gone silent. I don't know if they left Fedi entirely or just don't bother. This place was hostile and when they pointed it out, they were told the equivalent of "it works for me" or "can't reproduce, won't fix".
I reiterate that white people should believe BIPOC people when they report abuse, especially when they have receipts. Don't downplay it or excuse it or be like, "lol switch instances". Report those who abuse, no matter who they are. Tell abusers to STFU or GTFO and fucking mean it.
We are stronger together.
C Silva
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